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  • #791044 Reply
    Lane

    I just thought about this, based on how you just said it was super hard for you to suppress your anger and not go off on him. I think its highly possible that his daughter has witnessed your texting outbursts and/or has seen how they affect her father, which in turn, affects her in how she see’s and views you.

    Something to ponder.

    #791049 Reply
    Newbie

    Im also a bit shocked you could only refrain from angry texting because it was mentioned here a few times. To me that says you do have issues, either selfcontrol, anger or alcoholic issues. And i suspect you dont really know how damaging that is in a relationship especially when most guys are not that verbally armed.
    So its good you want to adress that. When it comes to him, im not so sure you should go in demand mode. Why not try a talk about how he views this relationship and blending it all in. After that you can sure mention you have a feeling he likes to compartementalize and limit your time together. You have to find a way where he can state how he sees this and you not flying off the handle

    #791052 Reply
    Tallspicy

    Lane,

    What a rant, as usual. Boundaries are needed. I did not say that she (the poster) should have run of the place, it is reasonable to say that the daughter should hold her tongue and not act like a petulant brat over one/two nights a week. She is an adult. Not everything needs to be a moratorium on how much her father loves her. He is a grown man and is entitled to have a girlfriend in his own home in without his adult child whining (especially when she is living there for free). It is reasonable to ask an adult child to be respectful of your partner. If you really do not agree with that, which has nothing to do with being a parent, well then so be it. Parents are parents, they teach boundaries, not indulge tantrums, especially in their 20s. That is what parenting is about – not always being the nice guy.

    But honestly, if this man were capable or willing to have conflict resolution, this would be handled better anyhow. He would tell his daughter to be respectful and he would engage with the girlfriend better as well.

    And as to the poster. Please get some therapy on your anger issues so you can learn better communication skills. It will be the undoing of any relationship you are in and there are skills you can learn.

    #791056 Reply
    Tallspicy

    There is an enormous difference in a minor vrs adult child, but usually the acting like a brat is a parent created problem. I have a lot of friends who are seeing that the indulgence of youth for their children is now a entitled brat as an adult and they feel confused about how they got there and why their children are still having habits that they should have dealt with long ago. But hey, it is totally appropriate for an adult to whine about not liking someone like a teenager.

    #791058 Reply
    Lane

    Well Tall, I have absolutely no clue where you got the idea his daughter is ‘acting like a petulant brat?’

    ALL the OP said is that her BF recently told her that he didn’t think his daughter liked her. That’s it. So I’m unsure why your blaming this all on his daughter when she hasn’t even seen or talked to his daughter but for a few times in the past 14 months, according to the OP, and she said his daughter showed no signs of disliking her?

    I think you went too far on this one.

    #791059 Reply
    Tallspicy

    Last thing, I have dated many men with minor and adult children. With the minor children, they always come first, period – 100% support that.. With adult children, they always come first but with an expectation that I am a very close second – this woman sounds like she is not even top 5. There has never been one issue and they all liked me very much. But I would never date a man who was a wet noodle at calling non action a solution and capitulation as a way to deal with problems.

    #791062 Reply
    Lynn

    No, I don’t have anger or alcoholic issue. In fact, I’ve never drunk in my life. Overall, everybody says I’m a very nice person. He also says that I have a big heart and am smart but I like to fight with him for some reason. I guess it’s because at the beginning, he said he would treat me better than anyone else ever treated me before and we’d build a relationship that everyone would envy. And now after so many times asking to spend more time with him and wasn’t listened to (I don’t think that’s a lot to ask) I’ve built too much resentment inside and act out. I know it’s not an acceptable behavior and I have tried to change. I’m saying hearing for you ladies reinforces that. I have tried to calm down by doing meditation and therapy but stopped because of covid19. I’m not perfect but I’m liked by most people. In fact, my colleagues from peers to boss have told me I am often praised by people across the board and that everyone loves me and wants to work with me. My friends also say nice things about me. They say my bf is lucky to have me but I guess I have a dark side that I need to work on. I know where I got this from but I don’t want to blame anyone. It’s something related to my upbringing.

    Thank you again everyone!

    #791066 Reply
    Lynn

    And to Newbie about going in with a demand mode. I just talked to a male friend and that’s exactly what he suggested I not do. He says talk to my bf but let him fix it; let him lead and if he doesn’t, I have my answer and I can decide my next step.

    @Lane, I have gone back and try to figure out what changed the daughter’s view of me and I actually thought of the same thing: she may have seen my texting outburst. I couldn’t agree with you more.

    #791068 Reply
    Tallspicy

    Lane,

    I 100% blame the father!!! He is not standing up to his daughter, nor is he standing up for his girlfriend. He might not want to. That is my point. The poster sees him so infrequently, it is not a competition and I would expect my adult child to suck it up and would tell her so. Especially for 1-2 nights a week and living under my roof when should could be out there paying rent. This is a him issue and not a kid issue.

    Poster – when a man tells you he is going to do something and he does not, it is your cue to leave, not abandon yourself so much you become angry and bitter. This is on you for accepting his words over his actions. You need to be the ceo if your life and if this dude is not stepping up, exit him for you.

    #791069 Reply
    Lynn

    Tallspicy,

    Sadly but that’s the plan.

    #791070 Reply
    Newbie

    Dear lynn, what he said at first about the relationship:,you have what anybody envies made my hairs go all straight up. And thats not good. It sounds like a future faker. But Lets not go there. Go with your gut and class. Define for yourself what you want. Also if this is what he can give dont throw it away like that. Think.

    #804539 Reply
    Lynn

    Updated – After posting here, I pulled back and watched what he would do. After two weeks, he noticed and stepped up. We never discussed what’s going on. Maybe a mistake. I have difficulty communicating how I feel in person. Maybe that’s why I prefer texting. Anyways, things were better for a little while and he gave me a set of keys to his house. I thought “great, I could be over anytime.” But then he got busy and did not make plans to see me again. For my birthday, nothing happened. Last year he had a big celebration for me and I was so happy. This year I understand Covid was in the way but nothing at all? Not even a small gift. What upsets me was that his daughter’s birthday was a few days after mine and he asked for my opinion on what to get her and went shopping to get her a gift. I did not want to make a big deal about this so I never brought it up but this made me feel he does not love me. Is it wrong for me to think this way?

    He has said “I love you” more often but I don’t believe it and don’t feel it so I don’t say it back. That discourages him and now he stops saying it. He also is less communicative and that makes me doubt him more. I even question if he’s cheating and that’s why he does not make time for me. When he does not answer my texts, I wonder if he’s busy with someone else. Do you see this as my problem or his?

    Oh one more thing, he said several times already that he would move 3-4 states from where we are now in 3-4 years. He did say my son and I could come with him but I don’t see that happening as I want my son to be close to his father so I already said no. He said I was mean to say that before even going to see the place. He says I would love it when I see it. I think he already made up his mind about this move so now I keep asking myself if I should break up with him. It would be much more difficult later.

    I would like to hear your opinions ladies. Thank you very much!

    #804548 Reply
    Tallspicy

    We already gave you advice and you thought that making him guess and read your mind would change things. Either step up and have a conversation or leave.

    Did he even acknowledge your birthday?

    #804550 Reply
    Lane

    Lynn, I think you already know the answer. Nothing has really changed and you are still as miserable as you were on the day of your first post which is over half your relationship.

    Think about this. No more worrying about him, no more text bursts, no more feeling unappreciated, no more feeling non-important, no more feeling unloved…you get the gist.

    I truly think a better man is out there waiting to meet you but for you keep fighting for a dysfunctional relationship, which is what *co-dependents* do. Co-dependents are hell bent on trying to fix broken relationships v. fighting for their own emotional health, self love, and overall happiness. I describe co-dependency as “trying to create order out of disorder.” It will tear you down not build you up which is what an “interdependent relationship” does. I’m in a interdependent relationship now as I swore I would NEVER EVER get into another co-dependent one again as they suck you dry and turn you into a crazy person.

    Time to love yourself more than a man who isn’t, hasn’t nor will ever be “all in” (fully commit to you).

    #804560 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    “He has said “I love you” more often but I don’t believe it and don’t feel it so I don’t say it back. That discourages him and now he stops saying it. He also is less communicative and that makes me doubt him more. I even question if he’s cheating and that’s why he does not make time for me.”

    This sounds awful. You’ve been dating this man 1.5 years at this point, you don’t believe he loves you, and you question if he’s cheating. What reason do you have to think he’s cheating?

    Did you ask him about your birthday? Remind him? Tell him what you wanted to do? Or did he do nothing and you just silently steam over it instead of voicing what you want and expect? I don’t expect my boyfriend to magically know what I want to do for my birthday. I make sure to tell him.

    You’re unable to speak up and communicate with this guy. In fact it seems passive aggressive to refuse to tell him you love him back (assuming you do– do you love him?), because it just discourages him and makes him stop saying it. So then he pulls away and stops communicating and you get upset and suspicious. Do you see how you contribute to the dynamic? If you were warm, loving, and receptive to him, don’t you think things would be different? It amazes me when women treat their boyfriends or guys they’re dating coldly, and then get upset when the guy pulls away or becomes distant.

    You don’t believe he loves you, and the relationship seems to have an end date since he plans to move away. I personally don’t see a reason to continue dating this guy. Even if he were not planning to move, the relationship isn’t healthy, there’s no communication and you don’t even feel loved, and you suspect him of cheating when there doesn’t seem to be a reason to.

    #804567 Reply
    Newbie

    It sounds like you fell out of love totally. If you have a partner who says i love you and you dont feel inclined to say it back, its over. Some relationships just fizzle out. Looks like this one did and there are no serious attempts to integrate each other in the future. If he wants to move and you dont. It would be another thing if you both were having a blast but to me it sounds more like a dull job. I do agree with lizz’ notions about your communication skills. You should work on that. Do a course of assertiveness training or so

    #804740 Reply
    Sensy

    I think talking is going to get you nowhere. Tell him you need space and see if he steps up.

    #805082 Reply
    Lynn

    Thank you ladies! I almost stop all my communication with him and only respond to his texts when necessary. I need space.

    #805211 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    Not to be harsh, but you have a serious communication problem with this guy, and your solution is to communicate with him even less? How is that going to solve anything?

    This isn’t a guy you’ve just started casually dating. This is something you’ve been in a relationship with for a year and a half. Don’t you think you need to talk about all these things you’re thinking and feeling? And if necessary, end the relationship? Or, if you want to continue the relationship, find a way to address the problems together?

    You’ve mentioned a lot of things here that you “never brought up” with him. Relationship problems will not solve themselves unless you address them. Not communicating is not a solution to a communication problem!

    #805212 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    I mean, if you need space, or want to take a break, TELL HIM. Don’t just stop responding to him without explanation. Sheesh! This is your long term boyfriend, it’s not a guy you’ve only been on a few dates with.

    #805242 Reply
    Lynn

    Well I wrote him a long email expressing my concerns and feelings.I don’t want to pressure him too much and that’s why I pull back. I said what I needed to and will wait to see what he does. After my head is clear, I’ll talk to him.

    #805281 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    I’m not trying to give you a hard time but I don’t understand why you don’t have a face to face conversation with him. From what you’ve said in this thread you seem to text and email him instead of talk about things. It’s not pressuring him to want to resolve relationship issues. If you don’t feel that he loves you, that’s a pretty huge deal.

    I’m really not in favor of discussing relationship problems over text (or email) because a lot of nuance is lost. So much communication is nonverbal, it’s body language, it’s tone of voice, it’s facial expression. You lose all that when you communicate in writing. Anyway I do hope you are able to have an in-person conversation with him at some point.

    #805568 Reply
    Lynn

    Liz, it’s because I tend to be very emotional when I talk to him. I cry a lot. It’s not something I’m proud of. I hate it but can’t control it. It’s not just with him. That’s how I am. Many times I tell myself I would stay calmed and would not cry but I still do. It’s so embarrassing.

    I know he read my email so I’ll wait and when it’s time, I’ll talk to him. For now, I’m staying cool and focus on other things.

    #805609 Reply
    Anon

    I understand about not communicating this in person because you probably have felt you’ve already communicated this multiple times. It’s a sign things are unhealthy. I was having this issue of not being able to communicate and resolve a problem in the relationship. I said- the reason we argue or disagree is to eventually come to a resolution- it’s not to see who wins the fight or who’s right or wrong. That did change things for the better when we have an issue. Learning how to “fight” the right way is important too. I think your relationship has run its course. The birthday thing alone would have upset me so much. He seems like a guy who talks the talk but doesn’t walk the walk.

    #815010 Reply
    Lynn

    UPDATED

    I thought I would come back one day and give you guys good news until something happened last night.

    Let’s backtrack. After my last time posting here, I had a conversation with my boyfriend. I told him how I was not happy he did not make time for me and all that. I asked him directly if he’s seen someone else. He firmly said no but expressed that he’s seeing a problem fitting in with my family. We are from a different country and my parents do not speak English. English is my second language as you can probably tell. He praised my family for being successful and educated but said he could not see himself hanging out with my brothers and all he could do with my sisters-in-law was saying “Hi. How are you?” I asked if that means he did not see a future for us and he said no, that’s not what he meant. I asked if he wanted us to end and he said no. He said he would make at least one day a week available for me. He works every day and on weekends too and I have my son most nights so I thought that was reasonable. However, I did not accept his suggestion at the time because I was so fixated with the fact that he did not see fitting in with my family. I was hurt by that so much that I said it’s not going to work because my family is so important to me and left as if we’re broken up. He texted me two days later and said he was very sad. I was sad too and felt bad for not giving him a chance after he promised to spend more time with me.

    I went back to him a week later to try again. We both have been very happy since then. I made him dinner last Friday and he enjoyed it so much. I could see a change in him. He’s genuinely happy. Last night, I came over and he’s making me dinner. We were talking and having so much fun while he’s cooking. He then called his brother and his wife to say hi. While we were facetiming, a Tinder notification popped up on his phone. I was in shock and felt my heart sink. I tried to play it cool but couldn’t. During dinner, he’s asking me if everything was okay and I started crying. I apologized for that and said let’s finish dinner. What I meant was “let’s finish dinner and then talk” but he was upset that I did not communicate so he stopped eating and got up to clean his plate. I could not eat either so he cleaned mine as well. He then asked what bothered me so I told him.

    He admitted he’s on Tinder. I asked for how long and he said two weeks. He said it’s because I said it’s over between us. He said he has not gone out on any date and the person that messaged him is just like a friend. I asked to see their texts and he showed me. It’s true that they have not planned anything and the conversation seems innocent. Also, I noticed he started messaging her on 9/13 which was two days after our heavy conversation so he seemed to be truthful. However, what bothers me is why he’s still on Tinder after we got back together. Also, looking back I see it now that he seems to guard his phone a lot. When I am there, he would take his phone to the bathroom every time he needs to use it or he would say he needed to drink water and be gone to the kitchen with the phone for a few minutes.

    And his reaction after I found out about Tinder? He’s upset with me saying I ruined the night. He said I could just have asked him about it but did not and changed my mood completely. He said it started out very nice but my lack of communication changed everything and the night had bad vibes so he asked me to leave. He was very upset saying I judged him. I did not want to leave at first thinking I was in the wrong but he insisted he needed time alone and we could talk tomorrow so I left.

    As I was driving home, I realized I needed time alone too to process what just happened. I also realized why the heck was he blaming me. That’s not the behavior of someone who cared about me. I lost a golden opportunity to know if he’s really cheating on me by not asking to see the whole account. What if he’s talking to other women too? I admitted I have been immature and threatened to break up with him way too many times so if I pushed him away I am partially blamed but why not just tell me and end our relationship first?

    What do you guys think I should do? Would this be a good ground for breaking up? Should I have a conversation with him to clear things up? I just can’t trust him anymore.

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