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    Chanterelle

    Ah. A tale as old as time. When you crush on a friend.

    It started out innocently enough. We first chatted up in the lobby of our yoga studio, the eb and flow of our conversation was so damn easy. After our conversation, our yoga teacher who witnessed the whole exchange pulled me aside and asked what I thought about him.

    Oh. He’s nice.

    She nodded and offered that she really liked what she saw. Would I ever date him?

    That surprised me. For one, he was totally not physically my type. Not to mention I never saw him without a mask. Nor did I ever know he existed up until that point in time.

    Time passed and I got to talking to him again between our yoga classes or in the lobby. My teacher again would press, saying ‘I really like watching you two and I see something there.’ This kind of encouraged me, and I told her that she needed to encourage him too. See what happens.

    Recently, very recently, a couple weeks ago, I told him how much I love mushrooms and mushroom foraging so he invited me to go out mushroom hunting with his brother and friends which took me a bit by surprise. For one, I had never spent that much time with that many men in one setting. Regardless, we had a wonderful time. When I asked the guys (and him) who organized this, they all pointed to him. He did it. He planned the whole thing.

    At that point, I was sunk.

    I’m 35, he’s 39.

    I’ve been single for 7 years since my last relationship which was a 7 year long thing. I’ve done so much work on myself and even joined a no-man diet for 16 weeks earlier this year. I moved recently back to my home-city where I have very very very few male friends who aren’t married or are related to me. The only guy friends I’ve accrued were 3 from a dating app, 1 of which I’m close with who is in a relationship .

    I’ve gotten to the point where I fully just give up. I surrender to what happens. I deleted the dating app because I was literally crying after every lack of success. I’m freezing my eggs so I can buy some time and also curate space if I have to raise my own child alone without a partner. I really give up thinking I will ever have a partner. Its a grief I’m moving through but the alternative is the constant pining I found myself in before.

    Everytime I remotely get close to a something that feels right, that looks right, that is tangible and possible, the rug gets pulled out from under me. Every time. The person meets someone they have a stronger connection with, the person realizes they aren’t ready, you name it I’ve heard it I’ve walked away or alchemized it into a healthy friendship.

    I was hoping this was different. He had just moved back to the city like I did to be with his mom and siblings. We had a lot in common. Our yoga teacher even remarked on the chemistry.

    Lo and behold, while playing a truth game in the lobby of the studio, he reveals that he feels he has a soulmate connection with a woman he’s been friends with off and on for the past 5 years across the country. Who he has never kissed. Who he’s not exclusive with or in a relationship with.

    Needless to say, it crushed me. He asked me for advice about this long distance thing which really just started very very recently and I told him I was biased. I could offer nothing. Except that often when we are in long distance connections at our age, it’s to block real love from landing in our hearts. To feel safe and familiar in a fantasy rather than reality. But I couldn’t offer anything else because again, I was biased. I told him he was amazing and he would figure it out. He told me that this is what he needed “for now”.

    We went out for pizza last week and chatted until 1am in the morning. I told him that witnessing him in the world was such a great pleasure, how magnetic he was and how quickly people would gravitate towards him and feel good. He remarked he felt the same way about me and wished we had spent time together much earlier. Our connection is so easy. We laugh and delight in each other. I poke fun at him and he quickly returns the banter. The world disappears when we are together or if it doesn’t disappear, it amplifies.

    He opened up pretty damn vulnerably about his life in the short time we’ve known eachother. And I picked up and remarked that he missed his freedom given his responsibilities and assured him that what I Saw was a man doing the best he could to support his family. I remarked that I was surprised how vulnerable and open he was over pizza. He told me my eyes kept saying ‘tell me more’. I sunk.

    He made a remark that I need to stay open to love, that he sees it for me. And I wanted to grab him, shake him and say ‘I see it right in front of me, are you blind?’ Instead I sighed and almost cried when I told him that I fully surrender to whatever happens, happens. And I let go of the story where I was sure it would happen. Because presently? It wasn’t happening.

    He doesn’t reach out with meaningless texts so I don’t feel him occupying my time the way men who used me in the past did. He occupies my thoughts because I am the only allowing them to recur. He’s decent, kind and respectful which makes my feelings for him grow. He told me his friends and brother thought I was AMAZING and really liked me. I invited him to my sister’s party tomorrow, he informed me he maybe able to come but that’s not concrete.

    My therapist asked me once if I’ve ever just been friends with a single man I’m interested in without expectation. The truth is, not really. There was always sexual tension or a crush or they were in a relationship.

    I guess my question to you all is what are ways you would navigate this? How do you shift an expectation mindset into a gratitude mindset? What are boundaries you might suggest? How do you cure a crush? Or should a crush just be and you learn to sit with and move through the feelings? What are some mantras that might support me through this grief of ‘almost but not really’?

    It’s hard I think because I am surrounded by people who are encouraging this friendship and connection. Harder still because I feel singled out – why are they encouraging me and not him? Why aren’t they poking him, asking him, questioning him? It feels unfair and deeply onesided.

    I am okay without having a partner. I’ll be okay. It hurts, the desire is there, but I’ll be okay. It just hurts more knowing this person shares the same world as me, the same city and the same yoga studio but he’s emotionally occupied by a non-relationship.

    #929062 Reply
    Chanterelle

    I also wanted to add that he has no plans to move back to the city where this non-relationship person is, nor does he want her to move away from her family to our city. He says its hard and he’s never done something like this before.

    It feels like a dead-end long-distance non-relationship of epic proportions, colored by the idea of a soulmate connection with no real grounding and a lot of fantasy projections. IDK if its a redflag insomuch as a man who is shifting from one world to another and is reluctant to release his old world as he moves into this new space.

    But… I also don’t want to be responsible for his decisions. I want him to be happy. So I just shut down if he brings it up or tell him clearly that I have no advice to offer due to my bias and i Trust he’ll figure it out.

    #929063 Reply
    Maddie

    First off, good for you for being in therapy. It sounds like you already have some good insights in general, and you should trust yourself about his lack of emotional availability. This right here that you said: “Except that often when we are in long distance connections at our age, it’s to block real love from landing in our hearts. To feel safe and familiar in a fantasy rather than reality.” SPOT ON. He is emotionally unavailable, that’s on him, you can’t do anything about it except let go of the idea that he has relationship potential. Because he doesn’t, not any time soon, not without doing so much self-work that he is not currently already doing. At 39, the chances he will are slim, and slim to none on any timeline that would be helpful to you and your goals. Which makes the situation incompatible, without fault or any bad guys in the equation.

    You’re also right that it’s not on you to do anything about his decisions, you’re not responsible for anything, but that doesn’t mean he’s bringing it up to make you responsible for it either. Sure, maybe he is, since emotionally walled off people can do that, but also maybe not, since friends also ask for advice to get more information to make their own decisions with without putting any actual responsibility on the friend. You don’t actually know, but either way, his intentions don’t matter. *You* keep your own boundaries on what’s healthy for you, and in this case that’s you not being responsible for him or his issues.

    To answer your question, I think it’s fine to have male friends, but I also think in this specific case that you will need to distance yourself for a bit first to accept the situation and process your feelings. Otherwise you’ll stay in crush limbo. After you get more right with yourself, you can revisit if you still want to be just friends and can do so without feeling longing. What’s most important is not abandoning yourself or pushing down your needs in service to the idea of him feeling good or thinking you need to do that to keep him and any sort of connection in your life. You deserve to feel good, too.

    I’m sure he’s lovely, but unrequited crush limbo usually happens because there’s something familiar about the other person that subconsciously is jostling older unhealed wounds you have. You feel a connection but never get together because there’s also an emotional disconnect… they mirror whatever caused those old wounds which is why there’s a lack of compatibility there, if that makes sense.

    I empathize with your frustrations around dating, being lonely, wanting a family, and encountering flaky men. Do you and your therapist ever discuss attachment theory? People with insecure attachment styles are attracted to and attract insecure attachment styled partners who are their opposite, then fall into the anxious-avoidant trap and things fail. I’ve found that long patterns of what you’re describing are related to choosing avoidant and unavailable partners over and over. Learning this and having a new perspective on *choosing* which of my dates to continue seeing and which situations not to pursue at all (instead of making it all about hoping any man I met with “potential” would like me and stick around) changed my life. I was about where you are and then everything turned around within a couple years and I met someone amazing. But it didn’t happen until I was ready and fully open and emotionally available myself, which wasn’t about giving up on the outcome and having no control. It was about accepting that I’ll truly be okay no matter what, but it was also okay to be unapologetic about what I wanted even if I’d also be fine if I couldn’t find it and would need to come up with a new plan.

    Keep working with your therapist and remember that your feelings for this man are reflecting back important information and lessons about yourself. Don’t focus on solving his problems or longing for him to meet his potential. Continue focusing on feeling good about yourself and accepting yourself and knowing you’ll be okay. You’ll get there!

    #929064 Reply
    mama

    This is like when you get a cut on your knee and it starts to heal, but you keep picking at it and opening it up again because it feels weird/good to expose it and watch it heal… and then you end up with a huge scar.

    You are romanticizing your pain. He doesn’t see you. Set up some strong boundaries for yourself and your own well being. See him less. Talk to him less. Engage with him less. You cannot be a genuine friend to him, but you can be one to yourself.

    Move on to someone who SEES you.

    #929067 Reply
    Chanterelle

    Reply to Maddie:
    I actually have two therapists :) A jungian analyst and a somatic therapist.

    I’m familiar with attachment and I am an Avoidant-Anxious, who slides more into secure these days.

    The connection is so relatively new. We’ve only spent time outside the yoga studio less than 13 days ago, its been 6 days since the revelation concerning his long-distance non relationship.

    I had a dream about him (And I revealed this dream to him in person too) where I went into an empty apartment room where he was sitting on a couch. I gave him one good look and decided not to sit with him, walked out the door and moved away. He chased after me, tailing behind and asking, ‘Wait… Did you want me to follow you?’ and then I woke up.

    I feel sometimes that in the dating world, especially among women, there’s this constant conversation that feels like power-over men. Who has more power over whom, and that who has more power will get what they want which in retrospect is a disturbing way of perpetuating really disturbing relationships.

    I want an equal. Not a one up.

    I guess what I’m seeking are ways to create space for love and learning to grow in this new connection while releasing expectation and pressure.

    I just need to learn how to create space so I can land into a healthy friendship that may or may not turn into something more, without expecting it to turn into something more, and appreciating the presence of what is there rather than what can be.

    But I won’t deny that it is hard, really hard. I hear what you are saying about wounds attracting wounds but this attraction existed BEFORE I KNEW he was unavailable. And the reality I keep encountering again and again is that you will always attract you wounds. Period.

    #929068 Reply
    mama

    Not sure how a random dating site can help you with your specifics; what are you looking for from strangers? I get a touch of defensiveness in your reply to Maddie — she’s very insightful by the way. :)

    #929069 Reply
    Chanterelle

    Reply to Mama

    No defensiveness. I think as women or feminine identified beings we just want to be felt, heard, held and understood by one another as we navigate our desire for connection. I know I do. And if that can be achieved through a random dating site, it helps. And I do feel heard.

    #929070 Reply
    Maddie

    It’s an unconscious thing, the attraction to wounds and others who mirror them. I would do it all the time before I knew, but there was still something I always seemed to pick up on somehow without realizing it. Maybe energy or body language, who knows, but it still happened every time. The way I’ve seen to work through it isn’t to force yourself to sit with discomfort with a new person who you already know isn’t available. It’s to work on trusting yourself and getting to a point where you’re good with yourself no matter what another person thinks. That is specifically because once you move into that space of having your own back, there’s no more power struggle construct. Power struggles and control don’t have much weight anymore when your own boundaries are healthy and you feel comfortable protecting them. That also changes the unconscious attractions to be much more towards people who will be equals instead of a push pull.

    You can choose to be friends with him because you want to, but I wouldn’t put much stock in using this particular opportunity to steer a change in yourself. Specifically, in this case, it’s because now that you know he’s emotionally unavailable, that means he *isn’t* going to be safe, stable, and trustworthy for you since he has his own problems and there will be an imbalance. When you’re working on learning to trust others more and have healthier friendships in a bigger search for equals, there’s still two equally important parts to it: 1. trusting yourself and having good boundaries 2. choosing to surround yourself with people who prove worthy of being trusted and won’t trigger you into feeling instability in your connection due to their own unrelated issues.

    It’s the same thing as the advice to date what’s in front of you instead of potential. Choose friends for what’s in front of you, not potential or what you’re hoping it could be.

    I agree with what mama says, too. This is part of getting to know someone and takes time, but when they show you who they are, believe them. You don’t really know him yet but he’s already shown you big red flags that he’s emotionally unavailable (and on-off for years with an idealized long-distance ex flags he’s probably anxious-avoidant also), so don’t romanticize it as a good opportunity for you to work out some of your issues. If he can’t show up how you want him to, honor yourself and keep looking for a better fit. Even just for exploring male platonic friendships.

    #929072 Reply
    Chanterellle

    Reply to Maddie:

    She’s not an ex – She’s a friend who weaved in and out of his life over the last 5 years. They only now are entertaining a connection, and he was clear it was neither exclusive nor committed with plans of when they would meet again or plans of one person moving to the other, seeing as they’ve never kissed. But he claimed that there was a soul connection there And it is what he needs right now.

    Which is a red flag, for sure. All I see is a safely projected fantasy of someone who reminds him of his life in a city he left last year so he could be with his family in the city we are in: My guess is he doesn’t want to let go of the past and has packaged it neatly into this connection, even as his world is changing and he is being required to shoulder family responsibilities in our hometown.

    Anyways, that’s a lot of energy analyzing one human’s motives. :)

    Thank you for your advice. You’ve echoed a lot of my internal sentiments and I appreciate the non-judgment in your advice as well as the absence of calling him a jerk or ways to manipulate the outcome or shutting down a connection all together because it doesn’t match my expectations (Which is distorted and disturbing, imo).

    I feel the lesson in this is to practice those boundaries. Be honest. Clear. There may come a point where I turn to this person and tell him very succinctly that it is very easy to be attracted to him, that it’s hard not to have a crush on him because despite the unavailability he really is a warm and loving selfless spirit. The pain of rejection might happen. The friendship may disintegrate. Or it may not. And saying that out loud maybe exactly what I need to do so that my system can really alchemize truth and surrender in realtime, with no expectation of what may or may not happen.

    #929079 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    You’ve received so much excellent advice here. I’ll add, it’s really easy to idealize someone you barely know. You’ve only been interacting with this guy for a couple weeks. You don’t really know him. Heartfelt conversations aside, it takes time to really get to know a person & truly develop intimacy. So I agree with the gist of what mama is saying, that there is an element of fantasy/romanticization to all this.

    #929083 Reply
    Chanterelle

    Reply to Liz:

    We’ve been acquainted and had conversations over the last 2 months off and on, since we share the same Yoga Community. Its been 2 weeks since we spent time outside the studio and gotten to know each other more intimately.

    I think the romanticization may stem from our yoga teacher, who really enjoys the both of us greatly and is one of our favorite teachers, is the one who started the attraction for me by pointing out she really liked what she saw between us when she witnessed our casual conversations and exchanges before/after class.

    I agree with all the points about taking a step back and just being present with this new human in a curious and thoughtful way without agenda or expectation. I disagree with advice about spending less time or stepping way back which I don’t think is necessary and probably damaging towards something that could either be a really fruitful friendship or a potential relationship. I don’t intend to chase fantasies but if things progress organically, they progress organically. if not, they don’t.

    Such is the wisdom I’ve gleaned since my first post. :) Thanks good humans.

    #929096 Reply
    tammy

    way too much thinking and analysis over someone you have met recently. and its just the start and hes already told you he likes someone. so why are you letting yourself slide in so deep?? doesn’t make much sens to me.

    #929165 Reply
    Chanterelle

    Because mutual friends have been noticing his turn of behavior over the last two months in my presence.

    Hell. I just had another yoga teacher ask me straight up if there is something between us and that he has been making an extra effort to come to the studio during hours I volunteer and that he does not interact with anyone else the way he does me.

    I told her that I had no idea what was going on and she might as well ask him what’s up.

    She said she was determined to ask him and encourages this match.

    So 🤷‍♀️

    #929169 Reply
    mama

    If you want things to “progress organically”, maybe stop listening to every one else. Strangers on the internet, yoga busybodies, etc.

    #929171 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    Yes to what mama said. I think the worst thing for a budding relationship (or even the possibility of one) is having other people’s noses in it. Relationships aren’t a spectator sport, whatever develops between two people needs to be between them… organic yes, and private too. (Unless you’re talking an arranged marriage, which we’re not). It’s not helpful to have outsiders egging you on and putting assumptions in your head. So please, step back and don’t let the nosy yoga folks into your head. Or us on the internet, for that matter!

    #929261 Reply
    Joan

    You are clearly mindful and doing well in this regard.

    I agree with many of the posters – save for their piece about nosy yoga busybodies. Often the indication of a good potential connection IS that the community you trust and feel supported by vouches for romantic connections. The key words being a community you trust and feel supported by.

    The reality is, successful relationships do require accountability from the people around you- for example, it sounds like you wouldn’t have thought twice about this person had a mutually respected friend not pointed him and his behavior towards you out. And you can rest assure that he is clearly attracted given his behavior is obvious enough to warrant the attention of more than one person in your community.

    But he still seems to be dealing with something so be that as it is, worry little about how and when things progress and more about how you feel. Maybe they will, maybe they won’t. Don’t listen to anyone who says walk away, ignore, block, he’s problematic, whatever. If My sister had followed that line of thinking instead of moving with grace, she would not be with her husband nor had her baby six months ago. Shutting down all connection is just as damning as desperation. Liberated love is the answer and kind, beautiful boundaries to protect your heart as you expand into a connection that IS NOT extractive.

    If something develops organically it does. Meanwhile, just relax, namaste and feel validated.

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