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    Raquel

    I’m 25 and am currently dating around. Ideally, I want to find someone to be in a serious relationship with and I want to eventually get married and start a family. However, marriage isn’t something I want yet in my 20’s. I want to get more established in my career and enjoy my youth before settling down.
    I’m struggling with my own thoughts about dating right now at my age; I’m unsure whether I should only be dating guys who I see marriage potential with, or if I should just “go with the flow” and date a guy I like but who I might not really see marriage and family life potential with.
    For example, I’ve been going on dates with a guy for over a month who is kind, communicative, and mature but I have doubts because his career has an irregular schedule with lots of travel, and I fear that starting a life with someone like that would be difficult if I were to eventually marry and start a family with. Am I overthinking things? Should I continue dating this guy to see how things go and just enjoy the time?
    I know this comes down to it being a personal decision for me but I just wanted some other women’s insight, if they’ve gone through these thoughts before.

    #932759 Reply
    Maddie

    You don’t know someone well enough to be seriously thinking about marriage after a month. There’s a lot left to learn! Is he consistent (this can change after the honeymoon period wears off), what happens when you have disagreements, can you problem solve together? Etc. And he shouldn’t be seriously thinking about marriage yet either, until he gets to know you better.

    *If there are no definite dealbreakers* and you want to keep getting to know him, you can do that for a while. If you’re going to continue seeing him, though, you will need to eventually communicate with him about where you’re both at. The only thing wrong with not dating for marriage is if you’re being misleading and pretending you both want the same things if they don’t actually line up. Otherwise, there’s nothing wrong with it. But you may need to find out, is he only dating wife potential right now? Does he want to get married any time soon? If he asks you to be exclusive in a couple months, is that what you want? Would you prefer you both date multiple people at once? As more time passes and you start to think about getting exclusive (usually 3 or 4 months in), be honest with him when he brings this up. Give him all the information about where you’re at and give him the chance to decide what he wants to do with it. Decide if everything is good or if there’s a mismatch in expectations, and you’re incompatible in what you each want and your timelines for it / life stages. You’re both adults, so if you communicate honestly when the time comes, you’ll be okay! But for now, it’s still rather early, so keep getting to know him first if that’s what you’re interested in doing.

    If you already know there’s a total dealbreaker with a guy and he’s looking for a relationship in general that is more than casual, walk away from that mismatch.

    #932859 Reply
    Eric Charles
    Keymaster

    Only date men you see marriage potential with. And if you want a family, only date men you see father potential with.

    I don’t mean for that to sound some certain kind of way. This is not coming from a moralizing place but rather a strategic place.

    Think about it like this…

    You date for marriage. You have time to select a great guy and everything you build together is building towards something real.

    Real partnership, based on the most meaningful parts of each other’s lives. Your hopes and dreams, your visions for a good future.

    You’re going to be alive in your 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s+

    You’ll be alive. And if you built a great foundation for your future in your 20s and 30s, it will be a beautiful life. You’ll be incredibly grateful you did.

    Relationships are not about happiness, they’re about growth.

    The growth is inextricably tied to what’s deeply meaningful to each of you, to understanding, to intimacy, to each of your hearts.

    So really it’s not even so much about dating for marriage… it’s about dating for meaning and purpose.

    If you can’t connect with a man on that level of deep meaning and purpose, then yeah you’ll never reach real intimacy…

    You’ll end up in the same place so many women end up: Chasing a non-committal guy, burning up all your energy for a guy you accidentally “caught feelings for” and yet you’re unsure if it will go anywhere.

    If I’m being really honest here…

    I think our modern day society is like a meat-grinder for young women.

    It’s sickening.

    Women are lured into this idea of casual dating around, casual sex… it’s all easy breezy, nothing is a big deal, everything will just work out.

    So women casually hook up with men because in that moment it just felt right and one thing led to another.

    And then, as if this isn’t the most predictable thing in the world, they “catch feelings” for this guy… and spend YEARS chasing after him because of these “feelings” they caught (as if nobody told them about the biological differences between men and women).

    And in those moments of doubt, where the woman says, “Have I been duped,” you have a culture of media and bad faith influences in society reinforcing the idea that actually all this is a perfectly normal, functional, effective way to live out your 20s and early 30s… that somehow it just all falls together and works out.

    Somehow a decade of casual dating turns into a great strong marriage and loyal devoted partnership.

    How? I dunno. But it must be true, because you couldn’t just have countless shows, movies, influencers, etc. pushing this mindset if it actually led to a bad place, right?

    Right? (nervous sweating begins)

    You know deep down how off-track society is. You feel it. We all do.

    Date men who you can connect with on a level of meaning and purpose because otherwise you’re not going to be able to create emotional connection with him.

    If you can’t have an emotional connection with him, it won’t matter if you “catch feelings”. In fact, it won’t matter if you’re head over heels in love with him.

    Your love button is orgasm during sex.

    His love button is deep understanding and support from you in the areas of his life that are most meaningful.

    So… take this seriously because the people misleading you down the path of “casual dating” aren’t going to be there for you later. There is no rewind button.

    Date men who you can connect with on the level of meaning and purpose.

    Even guys who seem like good marriage potential might not be guys who you can connect with on the level of what’s deeply meaningful to him… so you’re still going to need to find the guy you can connect with on that level.

    And frankly, when you do, you’ll understand how wrongheaded everything else was.

    Good luck and I hope that helps.

    • This reply was modified 2 years, 9 months ago by Eric Charles.
    #932967 Reply
    Raquel

    @Maddie & @Eric Charles,
    Thank you for sharing your insights and opinions. It’s interesting to hear slightly different sides of this, and hasn’t exactly cleared things up for me but of course this is my life and I’m still figuring things out.


    @Eric
    Charles,
    In my experience there is a difference between someone who I can connect with on a deeper level and someone who has marriage potential. I have had that deep connection with men before but there was at least one factor which prevented me from seeing marriage potential in them. If I hadn’t dated these men I wouldn’t have gained relationship experience. I have also dated a man whom, after getting to know well, I saw that marriage potential with in addition to the deep emotional connection. And I am not someone who just “catches feelings.” But his priorities changed in our third year together and he ended up pursuing a 3rd degree at the only place he got accepted to which was across the country, even though it wasn’t necessary, just something he really wanted to do. I could not move due to my own life obligations but I still supported him throughout it all. Maybe I feel jaded from that experience.

    Some people never get to experience connection with another human. And who knows, I eventually find someone and marry, but something changes and we get divorced. And I’ll look back on a time when I was younger and how I missed out on opportunities for connection due to my emphasis on that marriage potential.

    #932976 Reply
    Eric Charles
    Keymaster

    “In my experience there is a difference between someone who I can connect with on a deeper level and someone who has marriage potential.”

    OK, but then there’s also a place where those 2 areas overlap. Aim for the men where that overlap is already there.

    I agree that experiences are good, no argument there.

    “And who knows, I eventually find someone and marry, but something changes and we get divorced. And I’ll look back on a time when I was younger and how I missed out on opportunities for connection due to my emphasis on that marriage potential.”

    I understand, nobody wants to look back in regret, nobody wants to make mistakes, nobody wants to miss out on life.

    Truth is, what you said works in the other direction too.

    I’m not someone who pushes marriage or any particular lifestyle or relationship choice. I’ve gone out of my way to point that out.

    I’m bringing these ideas up here for you to reflect on an area of your life that I know is important to you.

    If you want marriage, it’s worth thinking about now and having a real proactive strategy of how that will come together.

    Like you said, a marriage could fall apart and end in divorce, and nobody wants that.

    And there are some bad outcomes that happen even after we try our best. That stinks, but that can happen in life.

    Still, it’s in our best interest to try our best and learn to be as effective as possible, so we get the best success rate possible.

    We won’t win everything in every area of life every time, but in general, we will win where it’s important.

    We don’t have infinite time. We need to make efficient choices so we get the most out of everything we choose.

    That’s how we don’t miss out.

    And that’s why I say, only go for the men that meet both your criteria. Don’t kid yourself into thinking it’s an either-or.

    Yes, the overlap will be more rare, but that’s fine. It just means saying no to more men, so that when you reach the yes it’s a big yes.

    #932999 Reply
    Maddie

    It also sounds like you got out of a three year relationship somewhat recently? It can take a while to get over long relationships that didn’t work out, and you may not feel like committing seriously right away when you’re still getting over that. Those feelings of doubt that started after that break up won’t last forever, and if you want to get married eventually, you will get back to a point where you are ready and feeling open to looking for it. It’s okay if you’re not there right now.

    I think the overlap in what we’re both saying is don’t date men who you already know there’s zero marriage potential with (clear dealbreakers, or a guy who says he doesn’t want marriage), even though I don’t think you need to put pressure on each relationship to be “the one” either. You can take more time to focus on yourself and figure out what you want. It is absolutely correct that you don’t have infinite time to do that, but you do still have *some* time to figure it out. As you’ve observed, there is value in dating different people to potentially make your future relationships better, because you learn more about yourself. Then the experiences with different people can make you recognize it when you’ve met the best match for yourself. There’s also a big difference between selling yourself short and accepting bad relationships or non-committal men because deep down you don’t believe you deserve better (fear-based decisions), versus not feeling quite ready for marriage yet but looking forward to using your time well to grow as a person and as a partner.

    In your specific situation, keep thinking about if his lifestyle is incompatible with yours (leave if it becomes a dealbreaker), but also gauge how your overall connection and compatibility is. That will be relevant first. The lifestyle won’t even matter if turns out you don’t really like each other all that much anyway.

    #933276 Reply
    M

    Oh my gosh this is SUCH great advice!

    I’ve been married and I’m in my late 40’s now (though I’m kind of still only 30 in my head!).

    I wish to God I’d have looked for that overlap because I cannot get back my lost years now. Not to say it was all a sham or I got nothing out of it. Of course not, there’s plenty of silver and even platinum lining.

    But I got to tell you, not being smart and strategic and wise about who you choose to date, can cost you heavily in time, pain, heartbreak and lost potential.

    I’m actually amazed at Eric’s advice and started laughing when I got to the line “Right? (Nervous sweating behind)”.

    I totally did not expect Eric to say any of that, or Sabrina even. (Only because they’re both so cool and usually talk about not projecting forward too hastily.) It’s some of the soundest advice ever. I love love love this post. Girls everywhere should be made to read it.

    It should be a mandatory reading text in schools!

    I’m always telling my friends/cousin “will he make a great dad?”. They can’t see it yet. But I learnt the horrible hard way.

    Set yourself up for success first. Then enjoy the moment. It’s the only way that makes sense.

    Otherwise be like me and have to work double hard to make up for 20 years lost potential in love, money, career success, the whole shabang. It is totally not worth it. Be smarter Raquel. You’ve got an amazing life ahead of you if you’re savvy and strategic about it. Smart people have more fun in the long run. Be one of those!

    #933293 Reply
    Eric Charles
    Keymaster

    M, thank you so much for your feedback. It really helps me to hear what resonates, what hits home, what makes sense.

    I appreciate the kind words, so thank you for that. But even moreso, I appreciate how you’re pointing out what you like and your experience with it.

    I’ve been in the process of rolling up my sleeves and clarifying my message. There are things I said back in 2009-2013 that I would say differently now. Plus the world has changed, and in this new context, so things need to be eliminated, modified or accentuated to serve today’s needs.

    It became clear to me that my best move forward was to roll up my sleeves and get back to basics by getting into the conversations. Hearing the feedback is so helpful to hear what’s hitting the nail on the head and what isn’t.

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