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    Morgan

    So I’d been seeing this guy for a few months before the pandemic happened, and since distancing orders were in place, we are no longer able to see each other. We haven’t been serious, but we’ve been getting to know each other personally too so I feel like at this time while we don’t owe each other commitment, we do owe each other honest communication and respect. We explicitly left open the possibility of seeing each other again when it’s safe.

    We kept in touch somewhat regularly over spring, but lately I got the sense he’s been pulling back. He hasn’t initiated contact or conversation in a while, though when I initiate after several days of no contact, he responds and even carries the conversation, and periodically hints about seeing each other again. However, he used to initiate contact a lot more, and we never used to go so long without contact, even in the earlier days of distancing.

    I thought I was being faded/ghosted, so I gave him some “outs” in our last conversation, where it would’ve been reasonable for him in my opinion to end things in a polite way and without hurting feelings. He didn’t take the “outs,” and even seemed to push back against an excuse for an “out” that I was trying to subtly give him.

    In our in person interactions, he’s always been very respectful and honest, so I don’t otherwise have any reason to assume manipulative or bad intentions. I think it’s unlikely he’s consciously making a decision to lead me on or be dishonest, but then why would he stop initiating, which would suggest lost interest in continuing, but also express desire to see each other again when it comes up in conversation? Does he figure that since it’s a pandemic, he has nothing to lose by keeping me as an option? Or, since we aren’t serious, are “expectations” for communication especially in a pandemic different, so that maybe this isn’t a reflection of losing interest?

    I would rather just be upfront, and if it’s not likely to continue, then end things cleanly. But I also don’t know how to further ask him. I know now is obviously a bad time to try and define anything, and he avoided the “outs” I gave him. Is there a way to ask without explicitly asking if he’s still interested or if he’s trying to end things?

    #791226 Reply
    Faye

    I’m a similar situation, I definitely want to give the benefit of the doubt. Maybe there’s something going on in his life. I also don’t want to jump to conclusions or create a self-fulfilling prophecy for breaking things off. Advice appreciated!

    #791228 Reply
    Tallspicy

    I think that right now if you are social distancing is long distance on steroids. The reality is it is hard to have anything to talk about for months at a time with no possibility of a normal life. So, some of it was overtalking in the beginning and some is that there is a natural lull. Yes, he might be losing interest, but he may also have nothing to say and men do not bond well by talking. Let him be and when he contacts you again, suggest an activity… a game, challenging questions, a walk outside.

    Never give men outs, it is insecure and men hate it as they know it is a plea for reassurance. If you need reassurance, ask for that directly, A better approach is to be secure, or to ask how he is feeling about things as it is such weird and unusual circumstances. Then listen. You cannot get clarity right now and your insistence on knowing is difficult as he might not know. And you should never ever force a man’s hand as it will push a maybe to a no.

    How about assuming it is on hiatus and if he shows up again great, or saying it is hard to maintain all this contact as we really don’t know each other – call me when things are getting back to normal, or just assume things are over and do one hail mary when things open up again… send just one text “I though of you as I read/listened/watched this thing. I thought you would like it, so enjoy! Hoping you are enjoying getting back to normal and having some summer adventures!” Then let him take it from there…..

    #791232 Reply
    Ss

    I think that the current situation is making dating really difficult. There have been a lot of similar posts to yours on here recently with women worried that the guy is pulling away and not texting as much. I think its a combo of out of sight, out of mind and nothing much to say.

    My opinion is that the normal rules do not apply right now. I would step back and let him lead. Respond warmly if he does contact you but do not initiate. Try and have a “what will be will be” attitude because really, right now I don’t see how anyone can really know what they want when the usual flow of dating is so hugely interrupted.

    Guys don’t text like women. The guy I’ve been dating rarely texts and when he does its just a chatty check in or to ask if I’m free for him to call. We only had one date and texting daily would just feel like too much right now – too intimate and intense when we are at very early stages so a couple of texts and calls a week is enough to keep a connection until we can meet again and see whats what.

    It’s not easy to sit back and I definitely was not always this chill. Its taken 2 years of me making every damn mistake in the dating book to get to a place where I’m dating in a healthy way, not fast forwarding to the future, not going all in immediately and not really giving any f**ks or investment in men who are not my boyfriend. When you can do this it feels so much more relaxed rather then stressing over when he text last etc.

    Interestingly though, the guy I’m dating did say yesterday that he would like it if i initiated more! It threw me tbh. I shall do so but only 10% to his 90% I refuse to chase men anymore because when you do …. they run! The egg don’t chase the sperm springs to mind :-)

    #791256 Reply
    mell

    I think as others have said, now is a weird time. Those early months are a time when you’re still very much working out compatibiility and attraction – it’s not ucommon for thigns to fizzle out naturally or for people to lose interst.

    But now, we’re all under lockdown and people are having intense conversations with people that perhaps IRL it would fizzle with. Or perhas conversaiton is difficult because it’s been months of people not doing much – it can be a struggle to find new things to talk about. And also, whenpeople haven’t seen each other for a long time but haven’t yet built up that connection, it can be a struggle for them to know if they are still feeling it. The only way uou will all know is once lockdown eases, and you get to see each other again and pick up where you left off. There really is no way of knowing how budding relationships will progress.

    A lot of the time guys don’t talk or message as much as women. Seeing my guy with his friends, I certainly noticed he doesn’t write or talk much even with them – our long chats are an exception for him, and it made me value that effort much more. Interestingly like SS’s guy he also asked me to initiate more after we’d dated a few months. I replied back very enthusiastically, but he said something about feeling a bit like a stalker if he was the only one who initiated XD

    #791350 Reply
    Morgan

    Thanks for the perspectives! On second thought, I do think I came on as quite insecure and maybe pushy, and I think it’s now caused awkwardness. I’m kind of kicking myself for creating issues when there weren’t necessarily any to begin with. Any thoughts on how to proceed? Would it ironically be more clingy or insecure to acknowledge and apologize for it days later, especially since we aren’t in something serious? I think overall this was something out of character for me, probably it was made worse by the uncertainty of everything right now. I hope a one-time thing wasn’t a complete turn off, and that he now doesn’t feel like communicating with me is burdensome.

    #791354 Reply
    Newbie

    This is similar to another recent post where the girl felt she needed him to say he wasnt into it. That is indeed the weakest position to be in and the idea you actually need a guy to literally say its over instead of thinking: dude you missed the ball, youre out when he is fading away.
    You did exactly the same, gave him exits. And now you realize it was needy, you want to aplogize? Salving something thats not there. This guy has fingers and a voice. He is perfectly able to stay in touch with you but choces not to. Thats your cue to say im not interested in a man that doesnt stay in touch.

    #791357 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    Acknowledging the awkwardness will only make things more awkward. Don’t apologize.

    I agree with everything that’s been said, in that the pandemic has made dating really difficult. It’s put budding relationships on pause and made it hard to get to know new people. There’s only so much you can talk about when you’re locked down for months, and has been stated, men bond through activities rather than talking. So I’m sure even if this guy is interested in you, it’s hard for him to find things to say after being locked down so long.

    As others have stated, just pull back and let him initiate. Respond warmly and enthusiastically when he does. Don’t bring up the awkwardness or apologize, because it’ll just give the incident more importance than it deserves. If he’s interested in getting to know you, he’ll move past it. Lockdowns are ending in every state now so if it hasn’t ended where you live, it will soon. So let him reach out in the coming days/weeks and suggest you get together, and hopefully you’ll pick up where you ended off. Or, as Tallspicy suggested, you could suggest getting together to him, but only do it once. You’ll know his interest level once he is able to see you again. If he doesn’t make an effort to see you, you’ll know to move on.

    #791363 Reply
    Lane

    It would be completely off putting, and desperate, for you to say anything to him right now. Leave it, let it go, and stop pushing him “to do something” as he’s under zero obligation to do anything. It would be best for you to refrain from any further initiating right now and put down your darn phone. Find better things to occupy your time and mind, like a 5000 piece puzzle, going to a hobby store and finding things to do that you’ve never done, such as cross-stitch, creating a flower bouquet, paint by numbers…anything to stop thinking about him, and start re-focusing that energy on you.

    Remind yourself you are *single* as is he, and he’s freely allowed to not text you or ask you out on another date. In fact, I would go with the mindset he IS going to fade the moment he’s no longer bored and able to occupy his mind and time with work, hanging with friends, and yes, asking ladies out that he’s most likely communicating with, along with you, one of which has probably caught his fancy, she is new and interesting, and why he’s now put you on the back burner.

    Your biggest problem is that you’ve given away far too much about yourself over text, and he now doesn’t see the value of spending his time and money getting to know you, because he already knows too much and why his interest has waned. Men don’t bond over words or texts, that’s how ladies bond. Men bond through positive memories created by spending real life time with the lady. This is why you need to allow for “mystery & intrigue” by not over communicating with a man, especially via text, but giving him little bits of info. on each actual in person date. That’s how men become attracted to a lady, by her physical beauty, her voice, her quirks, and how she see’s the world to the point HE wants to be apart of it, and only then will he want to bring you into his! Stop over texting men, whereas your phone should be viewed as *a barrier* to attracting men; unless you prefer dating your phone, then text away!

    #791387 Reply
    Morgan

    I apologize for the repeated followups, my question would be that if the situations were reversed and I were on the receiving end of an insecure and reassurance-seeking exchange, I might actually appreciate an acknowledgement that they were pushy? Obviously, it’s a hard time right now, and it would make me more comfortable in seeing that as a one-off rather than thinking back and questioning if that’s how they just are. But that’s just me, for someone else, is that completely not how this kind of apology would be taken?

    After my act of desperation, our conversations suddenly changed pace, from sporadic bursts to now a constantly ongoing but very spaced out communication. I’ve been just reciprocating, rather than being the one to extend or end the conversation, but now I wonder if he’s just prolonging it so we can talk for the sake of not being silent. I wonder if now he’s trying to humor me but at the same time keep contact to a low level. If this works for him and is a sort of compromise, then great. But if this is him calculating in a sense how to keep me from getting insecure again while avoiding conversation, I’ve definitely taken a step back and see why we don’t need this forced constant contact.

    Should I assume this is just going downhill now, and that I messed things up? I wonder if this is something where he’s just going to view me going forward as not chill, even though up until now, and especially before the pandemic, I really think I didn’t have any issues with insecurity or anything like this.

    I would say normally I do take an enjoy-the-moment attitude, but with the pandemic the uncertainty was starting to make me a bit stressed. Posting repeatedly probably makes me seem more crazed and desperate, but it’s been really nice to hear others’ opinions and advice and learn from them. Thanks for listening and offering your perspectives and experiences.

    #791389 Reply
    Newbie

    Youre way overthinking this guys motives to stay in touch. Calculating how you dont get insecure again? I dont even know what that means.
    The best way to make a guy forget something is to never mention it again. Unless you did someting that deserves an apology. This is not the case. You call it an act of desperation now but if i get it right you sort of pushed him to state if he still was interested. Thats not worthy of an apology. If you do apologize he has to first think what you are talking about and then reassure. Thats something he doesnt want to do but maybe he does it. It wont help build any attraction thats for sure.
    I have a feeling some advice is not really getting to you, like lane. Youre still busy repairing yourself for this guy. Waiste of time. You are you. No need for repairing.
    Also your cause and effect is not right. You now assume he got hot and cold after you pushed him for his intentions. But he was already checking out. There is absolutely nothing you can do about that. Its beyond your control and therefore is best to keep your hopes in check. Good luck and lock down will soon get better.

    #791390 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    You’re way overthinking this! Just forget about it. Harping on it to this guy will just make you look insecure. Guys don’t ruminate over this type of stuff the way women do. Like Newbie said, the best way to get him to forget about it is to not mention it again.

    I don’t see how this guy is humoring you into avoiding conversation. If he didn’t want to converse with you, he wouldn’t. It’s pretty simple. Does the conversation really feel forced and calculated to you? It may just be that after 2 months of lockdown, the guy is also starting to feel a bit overwhelmed and running out of things to say. And the last thing he needs is a needy, insecure woman making a mountain out of a molehill. Don’t forget that you’re not the only person being affected by pandemic uncertainty. You don’t know what’s going on in his head. At this point I wouldn’t make any assumptions about things going downhill. Just sit tight. Be responsive to him. Try not to overthink (easier said than done, I know). Hopefully you & this guy can see each other in person soon.

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