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Mandy
Have been in FWB with a guy since April. We would meet up once a week by having dinner or coffee, then make out. No full on sex though.
He just stopped calling and texting a week ago. He texted me every day up until then. No arguments. In fact our last meet up was the best yet as far as connecting. We were sharing stuff about our childhoods, etc. We were developing feelings for sure. Each time he held me tight and said he doesn’t want to let me go.
What happened here? We’ve know each other for a year then started getting intimate in April.
I think he should provide an explanation for someone he’s known that long. I sent a text but no reply.
I feel extremely hurt!
anonThat’s just a terrible thing to do to a friend. Sadly it is how men roll these days, too cowardly to say something needs to end.
anonAnd honestly who knows. I have found out that my ghosts have:
Died
Been in hospitals
Met other women
Felt we were getting too close
Were afraid to break up
Got busyIt’s never been me, and like 75% show back up.
KhadijaI’m sorry to say but, an FWB owes you no explanation as to why he isn’t responding to you.
If he were your boyfriend I would say otherwise.
Do I think that’s a nice thing to do, no but these arrangements are ones that people tend to come and go as they please. Did you ever talk to him about if either one of you decides to move on from the FWB?
Perhaps he thought all thee deep talks and such were causing you to develop feelings he could not reciprocate.
In any case you sent the message, its up to him to respond.
Remember we cannot control others, only ourselves.
Perhaps, you should make this FWB not something you do in the future.
anon“I’m sorry to say but, an FWB owes you no explanation as to why he isn’t responding to you.”
No, because it sounds like they were legit friends, not just people randomly hooking up. It’s not much different than a girlfriend ditching you- would you just walk away from a positive friendship with a girl with zero explanation?
A year, plus daily contact for 5 months, and weekly meetings for 5 months is creating some form of bond. Sure he may not be on the same page romantically. But you don’t spend that much time with a person and not develop a connection on some level.
There isn’t anything anyone can do about it, but I wish more people would call ghosters out on the damage they cause with a basic lack of manners. If you feel you are entering into a relationship (and I use the term relationship loosely- they can be non- romantic) and want the ability to skip out without notice, tell people.
I hooked up with a guy who did just that – BEFORE we got far along, he said “this is only casual and I don’t really keep up with friends/people”. He set the expectation up not to hear from him again. (As it was I do hear from him occasionally).
So if you are looking for intimacy, whether it’s physical, emotional, or just to connect to someone, and you want the ability to skip out without warning, tell people that’s what you do, and see how many people want to connect with you on anything more than the most superficial level.
anon“Hahah anon! Your dead men showed back up? As ghosts?”
No I read his obituary. The other one, a mutual friend told me he had died suddenly. We were supposed to meet that weekend.
anonAnd yes L, if you think ghosting and the mind mess it creates is not real, I invite you to feel the absolute sinking feeling when you google a man you dated and liked, that you reached out to, and wonder what happened, and read his obituary. Someone you connected with, who treated you well, courted you. I though he had simply ghosted on me like so many others.
Nope, went to the ER on a Sunday. Died on a Monday. Unexpected.
Over time, what has happened to me is that I simply don’t open up to men anymore. I don’t trust. I’m passive. I can’t keep connecting with people that I lose without rhyme, reason or explanation because it has taken a toll on me emotionally.
Once or twice? Yeah, it’s a tough lesson. But multiples take a toll, especially when a couple were tragic.
anon“A common theme on here lately is about ghosters and how unfair and hurtful it is. Agree.”
So we keep justifying it by blaming their victims. I agree- “hey, I tested this guy for a month and he disappeared”- not ghosting. Or “We went on 2 dates why did he disappear”…. But when you have people forming connections that go into months to a year, that’s different.
Did it really happen in the past that a couple dated once a week for 5 months and the guy just went poof? I don’t know.
And my point on “no one gives you a heads up” is because they know what they are doing is bad, hurts people. So no one would connect with these people. Frankly if you ghost someone after months, you don’t have the capability to be in relationships. You have no business asking people for connection because you create a toll on them emotionally and mentally.
anon“But I would think that when a man does there were clues that were missed during the courting process or a measure of the woman liking the guy more than he liked her,”
Clues like last texts that read like :
“Good morning! I’m looking forward to tonight!”I may well have missed something in the “courting process” but I’m not quite sure what needle in the hay stack it was.
The only thing I can say is that quality people don’t ghost and sorry you made a mistake in where you invested your time.
ShoshannahAnon, I don’t think there is any need for you to be proving your point. It’s obvious that after months or years of deep bond and connection, it is a horrible thing to do. That said, and this is not victim blaming, just thinking about how to protect yourself – I find it disturbing that you’ve been ghosted so many times. Maybe there is something about how you pick men to think about.
Mandy, I’m very sorry for you!
anon“I have not personally experienced a man ghosting. But I would think that when a man does there were clues that were missed during the courting process or a measure of the woman liking the guy more than he liked her, I don’t think it’s a reason to walk around loveless and paranoid”
See you haven’t experienced it. So imagine you get involved with a guy and you ARE progressing. Seeing each other more. It feels good. You have future plans. He’s a regular part of your life. You are learning about each other and opening up.
Then POOF- guy is gone. You have no clue if he is dead, sick, phone broke. Once you stew on that for a couple days, you get to wonder about if it was something you did, said.
Now add that up a few times- throw in some insecurity (most of us have vulnerabilities). Now you wonder which of your vulnerabilities made this guy go poof. So the next time, you hide parts of yourself from people or overshare in an attempt to test people. So you can’t open up correctly.
OR- you get to date the upstanding person who ends things, maybe offers a vague explanation and it’s done.
anon“I find it disturbing that you’ve been ghosted so many times. Maybe there is something about how you pick men to think about.”
6x. Two died, one was hospitalized. Two were players that I totally recognize and avoid now. One was the person that developed a pretty real bond and bailed.
And yes, I find it disturbing too. It’s a large part of the reason I don’t date seriously anymore.
ShoshannahWell, 6 times – it must have been devastating. There are men out there who would never do this, if that’s of any help, and I wish you will find one.
anonI don’t think anyone is owed an explanation. But definitely an end when you get to a certain point. You can’t make a law. But more empathy on people’s behalf would be good.
But yeah, I think this kind of behavior is hurting our society. I think there are some guys who think it is somehow “nicer” and maybe they have been on the end of rage from a break up.
And maybe I’m overly sensitive to the topic. But I’ve never been really hurt by a direct “break up”. Closure can be a big thing for people who have lost a lot of people unexpectedly.
JuniorI don’t understand the mentality that a FWB doesn’t owe you a goodbye or an explanation because he isn’t a boyfriend. If you are involved with someone intimately, or developed some kind of relationship, it is a decent thing to inform the person you are no longer contacting them. Women should get angry and let it be known they are angry for men disappearing. If we continue to reinforce “he doesn’t owe you an explanation” mentality it nurtures a ghosting culture. That is not okay. We are telling men (and women) that we don’t owe anyone common courtesy. FWB is a relationship. It is. When you end a relationship you end it properly. Plain and simple.
anon“I bet you missed signs of him not being into you as you were.”
He initiated 80% of our conversations including calls. He initiated 100% of our dates, which he planned and paid for. None of them involved sex, netflix or chilling. I’m not sure where the clue was that he was “not that into me”. He wanted me to meet his sister. His last text was about our next date. I knew he wasn’t married or in a relationship. He *may* have been dating others, but we went out on weekends.
Trust me, in the agony after that one, I fully reviewed the whole relationship. If he wasn’t really interested he was wasting a lot of time and money.
anon“If a guy dies or gets really ill, how is he supposed to contact you?”
Yes, my god, I know. I’m not upset with those guys. At all. I’d give anything to know that they were just a couple of players who stopped responding.
Which is why if someone reaches out to you, (who has generally been a good human, that you have developed a connection), YOU TAKE TIME TO RESPOND. So they don’t have to wonder if you are dead or disinterested. Even if it’s just “sorry babe, I’m not into you anymore”. And women pull the same garbage.
JuniorOf course you can’t force someone to give you an explanation for them disappearing. My problem with people saying “well he isn’t your bf he doesn’t owe you an explanation” is teaching women to value themselves less. That saying is telling women that they aren’t worthy of common decency as receiving a goodbye. We need to get angry and realize that the man is a jerk for being in an intimate relationship with a women and then disappearing. The least he could have done is say “thanks but I’m moving on.” We are programming women to think that if we don’t have a GF or wife title then women are less than.
When we value ourselves more, we want better for ourselves. We start making smarter choices.
OwlI agree with you Junior. All this, he “doesn’t owe” is all I keep hearing on here. Even with people who have been dating for months. I don’t hail from the US, and perhaps it’s a cultural thing, I’m not certain, but I agree with the poster who likened it to a friendship with another female or any other relationship that has been built up.
I don’t think any woman should work themselves up into an anxiety over it and what’s done is done. But sometimes I wonder if men keep thinking it’s OK to ghost because women never call them out on it and the ones that do get the “crazy” label.
That being said, these days, I wouldn’t waste my energy in calling out a guy on it, but I’d still be upset/angry and feel I had a right to be without being told, “he didn’t owe you”.
KhadijaThis post sure made an interesting turn.
No one said a woman isn’t worthy of an explanation because of lack of a title, however its not owed to her. Honestly, nothing in life is owed to any of us. When we get into the mindset of things being owed to us we get disappointed.
To me this mindset is about taking your power back and not sulking over a guy who doesn’t deserve that.
Over the years I’ve had people ghost and return, nothing they said when they returned was worth me hearing. And I was glad I didn’t sulk about them.
I’m not saying women are expected to super humans with no emotion but, at some point you let it go and find someone better.
In the beginning I really think its best to have the communication flowing in hopes to avoid such instance but, nothing is perfect.
MandyThanks everyone for the feedback. We did have a FWB so it was a relationship so I expected some common courtesy as to why we are going separate ways.
We were physically intimate and shared many thoughts and feelings over 5 months. It was a bond yes for sure. I never pressed for more or showed a higher level of interest than him. He initiated texts and meetings There was a tremendous amount of affection and caring. No I love you though.
Whatever the reason – sick, found someone else, getting too close, personal problems – it’s cruel to leave a friend hanging.
If he re-surfaces in the future with no explanation, I have a mind to ignore.
LaneBottom line, some prefer to end informally or formally. There’s no “ghosting” here, the guy has disappeared never to be found as he still lives and works at the same place so its not like he just went “poof” and completely vanished. Now there are those RARE instances when a couple is IN a relationship, living together and may even have children where one disappears out of the blue and no where to be found—that’s “ghosting” but not a guy deciding he no longer wants to date a woman!
I don’t think its harming society as there are many situations in life where your “not picked/chosen” or “let go” and the reason why is not always provided. A man is not obligated to continue to spend his time and money on someone he’s not interested in pursuing anything with; its purely his prerogative and at his discretion to stop when he doesn’t want to continue without any formal notice required.
They “why” is because he doesn’t want to—its not rocket science.
JanetLane…
So empathetic?
It’s bad manners to ignore someone who you have had a ‘connection’ with.
Male/female, male/male, female/female, etc.
It IS okay to not want to have anything further to do with someone of course,
BUT to say nothing and just stop responding is rude, ignorant, selfish and cruel.
Now if those qualities exhibited don’t negatively impact social structure in any culture l don’t know what does?!
And that’s not Rocket Science either.
Arrogance is SO unattractive.LaneNo Janet, it has nothing to do with empathy. It has everything to do with the “entitlement” mentality that one is OWED something just because a guy takes you out on a date. Manners is subjective, what may be wrong for you is right for someone else whether you and others agree with it or not. There’s no written rule or law on how one MUST stop dating someone and if you and others are unable to grasp the concept that INFORMAL (no notice) is ONE of the ways men and woman end it, then don’t date if it annoys you so much.
This isn’t new, has been going on for centuries so not sure why everyone’s all of a sudden getting all riled up over it now? Sure it sucks, no differently than it sucks one received a “pink slip” and was without a job; or one didn’t get the loan to buy a house/car; or one didn’t get the ribbon/trophy after a competition or one didn’t….
Like they say “suck it up buttercup” if you can’t accept or handle rejection in dating then don’t date and save yourself from any and all misery that’s derived from it.
FlowerThe problem with fwb’s is that most of the men see a woman agreeing to them as valuing herself less, there are exceptions. In the past, when fwb’s didn’t exist, a man would have to win his way to a woman’s panties, and so when he did, he made sure he d keep that privilege, it’s a common human sense and women would not give it up so easily. Nowadays it’s so easy to get and therefore so easy for a guy to move on. And men have much easier time to keep things casual casue they are much more practical. He probably didn’t give you any goodbye cause he might wanna pop in again sometime in the future. It’s just easier and doesn’t come with the drama of explanation etc. And as I said gives him the semi-open door if he wants to do it again sometime:) after all, he didn’t say it was over;)
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