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Mike
Hi everyone. Just wondering if I could get some advice please. This is going to be long, sorry
I’ve (34, M, UK) had three short relationships and one that lasted 2 years. Usually I can’t get past a third date before the guy ghosts me. Friends have told me I’m “too nice” and that I try to see the best in people, so that’s why I get led on and used so much.
In August-September I dated a guy after having 2.5 years off from dating because I’d got sick of being used and led on. He was romantic and actions backed up words. He invited himself to stay at my flat on the third date which I thought was presumptuous, but let it slide. One thing led to another and the next evening he texted me “After we were done with bedroom stuff, I just felt meh about it.” which is probably the most insulting thing I’ve been told so far. I considered giving up again but decided not to let him beat me.
I matched with a guy (Paolo, 32, M) on Tinder at the end of November, from South America but living 1.5 hours away from me by train. Tons in common – looking for monogamy, both been treated badly, masculine, goes to the gym, passionate about music and loves heavy metal gigs, and he’s very into video games. We hit it off and texted regularly, before I travelled to meet him in early December. We made a couple more plans to meet over Xmas but a storm cancelled trains the first time, then he tested positive for covid.
All this time we’ve been texting regularly through the day and video calling 2-3 times a week and talking for 2-3 hours, setting it up like a date.
He usually initiated texting in mornings, afternoons and evenings and I initiated all but one call. We played online on the PS4 together. He was very forthcoming with compliments and told me a few times he wasn’t interested in dating anyone else, and that he wanted a boyfriend in my city.
But he overthinks a lot, for example when I said that in my experience guys always hope the grass is greener elsewhere. I found out two days later that he took that as me giving him a veiled warning that I’m doing that.
As I live alone I can form a “support bubble” during lockdown, so two weekends ago he came to stay with me and it was really good. The lines are a bit blurred when it comes to how many dates we’ve had – yes we’ve only had two in person now, but due to covid we’ve taken advantage of other options.
When he got home he told me he felt depressed, which started ringing alarm bells for me. I said it must be because he misses me, but didn’t get a reply and a few hours later he just texted me “Goodnight hottie x”.
I started feeling like he was going to pull away as usually happens. He still texted me the next two days but I felt it was a bit less and then 15 days ago I replied to him that I felt disappointed because I knew it was unlikely we’ll see each other again. He asked was he not good enough, so I clarified that he was, but I feel he’s pulling away. He took it badly and said I probably found someone “better”. I said we need to talk about this properly and he agreed. I tried calling but he didn’t pick up or return it. I texted the next morning saying I hope he’s OK and slept well, and he replied he hoped I was too. It’s worth mentioning he’d previously done similar, saying I was quiet and something had changed since he cancelled the date due to the storm stopping trains.
11 days ago I checked in on how he’s doing and he replied “Sorry I didn’t message you before I’ve been thinking a lot about what you told me last time”. I apologised and said I was just overthinking and let my dating anxiety get the best of me. He asked what I meant, so I tried calling and he texted “one sec, sister on the phone”.
Didn’t get anything until 10 days ago when he texted “Hey Mike… I’m sorry I couldn’t call you I guess I just don’t feel in the mood to talk to many people at the moment. I think after what you told me I felt like there was something wrong with me on Saturday that you didn’t like and you were using an quick exit excuse or something like that… I just didn’t know where that came from since I was messaging you as normal cause I liked our second date but well. I was overthinking a lot about what I did wrong and all that so I haven’t been feel ok about myself lately plus my everyday life concerns. This is just to explain how I feel as I don’t know what your thinking at the moment or feeling…”
I replied “You did nothing wrong, I wouldn’t have changed anything about Saturday. I was just overthinking – I wasn’t trying to end it. If you don’t know how I’m feeling, the only way to fix that is a call. I’m not going to explain over text because that leads to misunderstandings.”
He didn’t reply, so 9 days ago I sent “Right, I’m just going to put this out there… do you see us going anywhere? Because I do. I like you. I think we have something really good and want to see where we go.”
He replied 8 days ago “I do but I think about last week I freaked out a little bit and put me off in a way, specially this time of lockdown that makes me get more crazy than I am”, to which I replied “So you left me hanging for a week, not telling me anything… I don’t really understand how you can put yourself off dating me? You do know that if you’d spoken to me, you could have avoided freaking out so much and thinking you’d done something wrong when you stayed over?
I would be interested in seeing where it goes because we do have lots in common, but would I be wasting my time?”.
He replied “I didn’t left you hanging for a week, you were the one who told me that you were disappointed because I “wasn’t messaging you the same and I was distant” I thought that was a quick way to get me out if the picture like many people have done with me in the past. also like if that wasn’t enough we are now trapped in a never ending lockdown… ”
I replied “I just mean that I did try to talk to you. I had no idea what was going on in your head, but now I know what you were thinking, I know that talking would have avoided you thinking that way. I did apologise and say I was overthinking. I wasn’t trying to get you out of the picture.”
No reply. The next day, 7 days ago, as I hadn’t had the chance to explain in a call I sent this to try and get my side across: “Hey Paolo. I just want to say I’m so sorry that what I said last week made you feel so bad. I messed up.
I took your text about feeling depressed as being like when that guy texted me that sex with me made him feel “meh”. I overthought, convinced myself you were going to dump me, and I tried to preempt it. As you’ve said, we’ve both had that from loads of guys in the past. I’ve regretted what I said ever since – it’s a horrible, sick feeling.
Our time together that weekend was amazing and I wouldn’t have changed a thing about it. It meant a lot to me that you made that trip to see me. Meeting you was also a high point in an otherwise s***ty year.
Te he extrañado. I really hope you’re doing OK x”.
Not heard from him since. He’s not removed me from Facebook, Tinder or his ‘close friends’ list on the Ps4 (haha) and his online status still shows on WhatsApp, the main way we communicate.
I’ve gone no contact since as I know doing otherwise would push him away. It’s 15 days since it fell apart, 8 days since I heard from him, and I’m still crying each day. I genuinely like this guy a lot and I’m more cut up about this than previous ones.
My idea was that I’ll drop him a message saying I’ve started playing his favourite video game and make a comment about it (I’ve had it downloaded for a while) – something that’s not about the bad situation, but relates back to something that attracted us to each other in the first place. My question is, how long do you suggest I leave it? I don’t want too much time to pass in case he stops missing me and moves on, but not too soon either. I was thinking about this coming weekend as I’m off work next week, which gives me time to mope if it goes badly haha.
Also, do you think reconciliation sounds possible? You obviously don’t know him, but what does it sound like he’s thinking and feeling to you? Is he genuine? I would really like to keep seeing him.
AngieBabyWhy do you want to keep seeing him? You two are not a good combination. The problem isn’t that you messed up. The problem is you’re both way too insecure. No offense but sounds like he’s even more insecure than you are. That isn’t going to change any time soon on your end or his, not without therapy. You don’t really know each other that well so it’s definitely individual therapy that’s needed not couples.
I’m sorry you’re so cut up about this, but you need to just leave him alone. If he has a change of heart he will come back. But saying anything else is being pushy and needy. He might come back since he hasn’t cut you off on social media, but honestly it’s only a matter of time one of you reads something into what the other says or does and freaks out and runs.
Also, everyone is having a hard time due to the pandemic. Pretty much everyone I know has had unusual dating and relationship difficulties the past 10 months. I don’t know anyone who has successfully begun a new romantic relationship lately. Dating is just too hard.
If there’s a way you could do online therapy or something, do that.
MikeThanks for the reply.
To be fair it’s only in these early stages that I’m this insecure, because it’s right around this time (especially when we’ve slept together) that a guy usually disappears. Once I’m past that hurdle and the guy sticks around, it calms down a lot for me.
I’ll definitely take what you said on board though and give it some thought.
emceesorry, but you’re not good for each other..i honestly did’t finish anymore but i feel if you continue, your life would be full of drama..would you like that?
mamaYou are both projecting your own issues onto each other and trying to start a relationship built on fear. It’s like you’re both trying to pre-empt the other by pulling the rug out from under them. It’s not a good start or a way to build a strong foundation.
And it’s hardly fair to make someone else pay for your baggage and past hurt. Work through your baggage and THEN go into a relationship as your best self.
Leave him be. Work on your self.
AngieBabyMike… your problem is you let other people determine how you feel. In general and about yourself.
Someone says something crummy, their issue. Someone ghosts you, their issue. Not a reflection on you or your worthiness or lovability. People do that, I’m grateful. The sooner the better too – it’s great when they show me we aren’t right for each other right up front.
Someone ghosted me for a lunch date today in fact. Talked with him last week, had a good chat, seemed like a decent guy. Got a text two hours AFTER our scheduled meeting time to the effect that he forgot he had another meeting and he went into it and couldn’t get out. LOL. BS. All he needed to do was take 15 seconds to text or email or 1 minute to call and let me know he couldn’t make it, before our meet time. No excuse whatsoever for not doing that. Deleted and blocked. Too far below my standard. An annoyance but no big deal. I had a nice meal and got to another meeting early.
Either delay when you sleep with someone or strengthen yourself to where you don’t take it personally and feel so destroyed and discouraged if they go away in the first 90 days. Because most of the time, budding relationships end at the 3-4 month mark when the honeymoon period is over and reality sets in.
LaneI agree with those that say you are far too insecure to be dating. You are writing the ending of the story before it even begins because you live in the past instead of allowing life to take you in the direction you are suppose to go. I live by the optimistic mantra “for every opportunity lost, is an opportunity gained.”
You live in the world of pessimism because you have very weak boundaries. When one has weak boundaries its because they lack confidence and strength. You can have strong boundaries and still be a nice person; you just need to learn how to balance it to the point you can be nice but strong too—that’s a man’s catnip. There are good self-help books that can help you to build stronger boundaries.
Second, stop using sex to catch a man. If your horny and want to get your scratch itched then have it as long as you go into it expecting the man to disappear so your not surprised when he does—that’s the best boundary to have when dealing with men and sex. However, if you really like a guy and see potential then stay out of the sheets! Men don’t fall in love in the sheets; they fall in love OUTSIDE of the sheets! They fall in love with the ‘whole woman’; the way you laugh, smell, talk, walk and view the world around you the point they want to join you! If they don’t want to join you by doing most of the ‘heavy lifting’ (contact, plans, dates, etc.), then you drop them like a hot skillet!
Lastly, stop trying to project your bad experiences on every guy. If you can’t let the past go and keep dragging around your 10 ton luggage (bag of insecurities) then no man is going to want to be squashed under all that weight, like this guy was. If you can’t start off with a clean slate while also keeping your wits about you by watching, listening and observing him OUTSIDE OF THE SHEETS to see who he truly is, and give him the opportunity to get to know who you truly are BEFORE you jump in bed, it would take a lot of the pressure you not only put on yourself but men too.
Taking these steps might help change your storyline.
AngieBabyI think you mean get your itch scratched Lane… LOL
Solid advice. There’s definitely a major boundary issue here.
MikeThanks for the reply Lane.
Firstly, I’m a man too haha.
I don’t use sex to catch a man. In fact he was the one who assumed I was staying over at his after the first date and was shocked when I said I wouldn’t do that on a first date because it’s too familiar. Yeah he did say “we wouldn’t do anything you don’t want to do”, but they’re just words. He was actually the one who would try steering conversations towards sex every so often and jokingly called me “conservative” because I didn’t play along. Like when I didn’t kiss him goodbye on the first date, he said he didn’t make a move to do it himself because of that.
He had also asked me a couple of times by text previously what was wrong because I was “quiet” and “something has changed”… One time was when I’d just been watching the new year’s day special of my favourite TV show! I just told him he was being silly and carried on – didn’t freak out over something so small and go silent for a week.
I will take what you said on board though and give it some thought.
MikeAlso worth mentioning, when he ran away he was overthinking because he convinced himself I didn’t enjoy the sex. That’s despite the fact that when he asked me that initially after I sent that “disappointed” text, I told him that it definitely wasn’t the case and I really enjoyed it.
Laneknowing you were a man would have been helpful lol. This is primarily a female forum so we are used to dealing with women and unless you tell us your a man we have no clue. Females have used male names and to be honest you have a feminine tone to your writing so I posted accordingly.
It sounds like you are too closed off and cynical as well. When he said you were being quiet, it was his way of saying “you’re being too quiet.” Its fine to be quiet from time-to-time as taking space is healthy but it should not be to the point you make the other person ‘overanalyze’ especially in the beginning stages. Nor should you ever use the word “disappointed” as that would turn me off immediately if any guy used that word on me—you either impress me or I’m gone.
I think this is a good opportunity for you to gain some stronger boundaries; stop with the negative dialogue (past); and learn how to communicate in a healthier way. Just my two cents.
P@lane
Mike did say he was male ‘ I’ve (34, M, UK) had three short relationships and one that lasted 2 years.’
I knew the OP was male in the first sentence because he said so. It was your assumption lane and not anything Mike said or the way he wrote. This isn’t just a forum for women, I’m sad that you would make Mike feel less welcome here. People are people and relationships are universal.
AngieBabyTotally obvious this is a gay man posting.
LaneOMG I missed it. Shoot me. Geesh.
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