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Black Velvet
I’ve had my eye on a co-worker (and close personal friend, we’ll call him N) for quite some time. I suspected he liked me but since he has never come right out and said it, I’ve never been able to know for sure. We hang out and flirt and chat all the time and we simply enjoy each others company, however we’ve only ever hung out as a group with our other co-workers and friends. We’ve never spent any time together, just the two of us.
So I asked him out yesterday- I asked him if he’d like to come over to my place sometime and we can relax- maybe have a couple drinks and watch movies. He said yes so I told him I would get back to him once I have something planned.
I am 99% certain at this point that he does like me and I am really looking forward to him coming over. But I am still scared and nervous. He is shy so it will probably be me who has to make the first move on him, and I’ve never done that before. We both have histories of nasty, abusive relationships and I think this also feeds into his shyness and lack of showing any signs of physical affection. We’ve also both been out of the dating game for a long time.
Is it normal to feel this scared and nervous, even though I’m positive he likes me too? There’s still that part of me that fears he will reject me romantically. I am a wonderful person with a great personality, but I am a bigger girl and I’m not somebody who will turns heads and people say “wow! she’s beautiful!”. I’m kinda average looking and I know this feeds into my nervousness as well. Why would he like me if I’m not pretty?
I guess I’m just scared and not really sure how to move forward.
RavenYou realize you just offered ‘Netflix & Chill’
Slow down & have a coffee…
peggyHi-I think,first of all that you should dial back on a home date/invite to your place. I would actually make a reason or excuse not to have him over…your landlord is going to paint it and you will at a friends for awhile,something vague..so a home date is off the table for now.
Home dates imply sex and I don’t thing that would be wise since you do not know if he even likes or wants to date you. Maybe he wants to hang as friends,who knows?
The fact he has never in the friendly times/interactions at work,asked you out,would give me pause. So I would see if he wants to go to a movie,a walk and a cup of coffee etc. instead of the home thing. If he does,great! Then go,assuming you are just friends. I would leave further asking out or expressions of affection like holding hands,up to him. If he does not ask you out after the “date” you initiated,do not ask him again. You can assume he is not interested and only wants to be your work buddy.
Prettiness or attractiveness is different foe different guys. If he likes you and feels a certain compatibility he/other guys will be attracted to you. Good luck.CeceI’m with Raven here. I think you may be starting this off on a weird foot. Get to know him in a neutral environment first, no?
Also, a guy who’s really into you will ditch all his baggage to ensure his happiness with you. Don’t make excuses for him. I think that’s how we find ourselves in situations we may have not signed up for. Take it slowly, putting yourself first always and allow him to contribute to the relationship as well.MaryDon’t offer him to yours. That’s how lust is built.
Go for coffeeDaisyHe may well actually like you, but not want to move things forward because you guys work together, so please be prepared for that.
And, just in general, you gotta have self confidence with any guy. As Peggy said earlier, different guys find different things attractive. Just as some women might find a guy attractive, and maybe you wouldn’t.
T from NYWhy not a hike? Snow shoe walk? Pool? Darts? Live music venue? Anything but home date right off the bat. Unless you are COMPLETELY fine with this being a hook up I would keep home dates until this guy has spoken up, in VERY clear terms, that he is interested in dating you. If you’re cool with making out or hot sex and then seeing him avoid you at work or flirt with other girls in front of you or him acting like nothing ever happened — those are some of the potential scenarios if you don’t get clarification about what y’all are doing BEFORE you do it.
It’s very easily remedied. Pick something to do. Then text him and say — Hey, I was thinking we could do X instead of movies. Let me know if you’re still interested. No big convos needed at beginning stages. Just say what you wanna do and let him lead from there.
Black VelvetThank you so much everyone for your input! I do need to gain more confidence, that I know. I’m probably just psyching myself out. If he likes me as a friend, somebody he is very open and honest with, even comfortable enough to cry on my shoulder, then perhaps he’s moved beyond just what I look like. If my looks were any kind of factor, he would have backed off by now.
And yesn I do realize I’ve asjed him to Netflix and Chill. I’m not uncomfortable having him over. I’ve been to his place many times. I know his immediate family. I currently work with, or have worked with, all of them at some point (his dad and 2 brothers and his uncle), so we know each other pretty well. Yes, most guys would take the lead, make a move, etc. but that is simply not his style. In so long as I have known him, he doesn’t have much confidence or self-esteem either. He doesn’t speak up for himself or what he wants. He’s been so badly abused, not just by women but by his own family as well (his brothers tease and taunt him even though they are all grown adults; he lives with his dad and 1 brother and they talk about him behind his back all the time, running him down) that he says nothing most of the time. He just keeps his head down and agrees with what they say. The reason why I asked him over to my place is because we live in a very small, rural town. Neither of us has a vehicle, and there is literally nothing to do. We can have coffee and Dunkin Donuts, but I think he would be uncomfortable. I have only been alone with him 1 time- we were hanging out as a group at a friends house and everybody started going their own way until it was just us left. Our friend was on a call, leaving just him and I alone for a good hour or so. We just sat and talked the whole time and this is when he really opened about the garbage he deals with and he wound up opening up and crying about it all. So I suggested my place because I think he would be more comfortable and willing to open up since there will be nobody around.
And outside of that, this town has nothing to offer. We have 1 bar and it’s a nasty, dirty, disgusting dive and he’s been very vocal about how much he hates the place. (It’s the kind of place where you could catch a disease just walking through the door.) Also, haning out at home costs nothing. Right now, neither of us has any extra money to be spending- I literally have $11 to last me the next 2-3 weeks so even going for coffee or to the movies is off the table for quite some time.
Bottom line, I know it’s unconventional, but I do not feel uncomfortable having asked him over, nor do I feel that he is uncomfortable with coming over. I think he would prefer it because we both like to drink, we both smoke weed so it’s a low-key way of hanging out doing what we both would already be doing anyway, in our own separate homes.
T from NYThis isn’t about your comfort level in having him over. No one questioned that. It’s about you stating you were scared about how he might feel about you. This is about your comfort level in how he acts AFTER y’all hang out. Maybe it will work out. But if it doesn’t – are you prepared for that when you know him “so well” and work with him? You are determined to have him over. Please know most men will take almost any invitation for alone time with any large number of women. It’s not much of a compliment. They are men. If you want to develop something more than just something physical, the advice is to proceed with caution and avoid home dates.
Black VelvetIt’s not so much that I am “determined” to have him over, we were going to go to the movies last week but neither of us had any money so we had to cancel those plans. And other than sitting in Dunkin Donuts, going to the movies or a dirty dive bar, there is literally nothing else to do in this town but hang out at home. It’s not like I live in the middle of the city. And neither of us have vehicles to be able to travel anywhere. Inviting him over has nothing to do with “determination”, it’s simply a lack of other options. I mean, what else do you do when you have no money, no transportation and your small little town has nothing to offer in the form of entertainment?
And sure, I am prepared if things don’t work out. Would I be sad/upset, sure. I can’t lie and say I wouldn’t. But I do know him well enough and I have respect for him- as I know he does me- he wouldn’t just ditch me to be a jerk. And while I know most any guy would take an invitation for alone time… he is not that kind of person. I have been with him when friends of ours try to get him to sleep with them. He turns down the offers. One night he even turned down an offer to sleep with somebody so he could walk me home instead.
I’m just scared moving forward. It’s been a long time (10 years+) since I last dated anybody. And what experience I do have is so little, and it was all just bad. All the men I ever dated abused me in one form or another.
Black VelvetSo I’ve done a little more reading on the subject and I have to admit… I did not realize that “Netflix and Chill” was just another way of asking for a booty call. I’ve heard it before of course, but just assumed it’s the same thing I do when hanging out with my best friend or brother or sister or mom. (Guess it means I’m getting old!)
I may need to rethink date plans and it may have to wait a few months until the weather is nicer for walking and we bith have money. I just hate putting it off that long. I worry he might think I lost interest and he’ll move on. I am pretty sure he likes me as well, like I said before, but how long he is willing to wait for everything to fall “perfectly” into place so we can go out on just a simple date worries me.
FrannyThis is the guy whose brother knows, yeah? Because going from the information from your previous posts, if you’re such good friends, of course he’d say yes to coming over to your place for a movie. It’s possible that’s all this is.
We told you if he liked you he would find a way to ask you out but you went and asked him anyway. I hope it works out for you but also be prepared that things may not happen as you’re imagining.
In your other post, I mentioned I have an ex boyfriend who has Aspergers. He not only has Aspergers, but he had been devastated from a terrible relationship. He was also very shy and reserved. BUT HE STILL ASKED ME OUT. I did not ask him out.
I just want you to be careful and not put …all of your eggs in his basket.
SensyYour behavior is only going to come across needy and desperate. I would back out.
Black VelvetYes- I recall your post from before about your boyfriend and I think it is wonderful that he worked up the courage to ask you out. But not 100% of all men are going to have that courage. If a man has low confidence, low self-esteem, or they think their crush is out of their league… they may never end up making the first move. I’ve already known him for years. This is why I am taking the reigns and I am making the first move of even asking him out. I mean, how much longer do I wait for him to approach me just because society says it has to be a guy asking you on your first date, it’s the guy who has to make the first move and kiss you…?
And this is exactly what he suffers from. Low confidence. Low self esteem. Very shy and easily embarassed. And his brothers, like I said even though they are grown men, they tease and taunt him and bully him if they find out he likes anybody. They’ve been teasing him about me. So I can only deduce that the reason he isn’t asking me out is he is because he doesn’t want to deal with the backlash he would receive from his brothers.
My apologies if I come off defensive, I just feel like I’m having to defend why I asked him in the first place. It shouldn’t matter who asks who. Women no longer have to sit and play the role of the damsel in the corner waiting for her big strong man to approach her. Maybe the date choice of Netflix and chill is wrong. So I just need to figure something else out… it doesn’t change the fact that I’m still scared of moving forward in a relationship because it’s been so long and I have such little experience, and no positive experiences.
And just to put it out there- yes, I am envisioning a relationship with him eventually. I have been through enough to know that I would never give anybody the time of day if I didn’t think there was potential for a long term reltionship there. “Casual dating” is just not my thing. Nothing wrong with it, it’s just not for me. Whether he wants that, I do not know, we’ve never discussed it, but I know how I feel and what I want. And I want to be prepared for if/when the relationship issue ever comes up.
Black VelvetHow is asking him on a date being desperate and needy?
FrannyI understand why you feel defensive
But my ex boyfriend wasn’t confident either. You keep making excuses for why he isn’t asking you out and in all my years (I’m 40), I have never met a guy who was “afraid” to ask a girl out. When guys like a girl, they show it. Even the shy, damaged ones.
I feel you’re building this up in your head and are headed for heartbreak. I really do hope that you’re right, and if you are, I will gladly eat crow. But it seems you’re overthinking this and have very high expectations. Guys sense that and when they do, they tend to step back.
Black VelvetSo if I have any hope of a chance with him I need to step back and say nothing and do nothing and hope that maybe one day he’ll approach me? Because the overwhelming sense I am getting from everybody is, a woman is not allowed to aska guy out and if she does then the relationship is doomed because society says it is a guy’s job to make the first move/ask you out first. So I am literally powerless in all this and at the mercy of him maybe one day working up the courage. And if he doesn’t ask me out then I need to forget him and move on.
Liz LemonI’m sorry you feel attacked. It does sound like you’re in a difficult situation in your town, with the lack of things to do, and your financial circumstances as well.
It strikes me that the one time you had a private conversation with this guy, he broke down crying and started telling you about all the garbage he deals with in his personal life.
I don’t think it’s wrong that you asked him out. What’s done is done, anyway. He sounds like a guy severely lacking in confidence and self esteem.
As a general rule I would agree with the others that a home date is a terrible idea for a first date. But given everything you’ve described in great detail, and the fact that you’ve already invited him and I assume intend to have him over, just approach him as a friend and don’t overthink the relationship stuff. You do already know him and his family so keep it friendly and just talk, don’t get physical. Don’t get drunk or smoke a lot of weed while you’re hanging out, so that you keep a clear head. Sit at a table rather than on the couch, to talk.
KVelvet, please take a step back from your two posts here and take a breath.
You’ve posted on a public site where people can be anonymous. That means you’re going to get all sorts saying all kinds of things. They’re only speaking from their experience based on what information you’ve given. No one here is deliberately trying to insult you, everyone is here to help. Really. The jerks and weirdos have been weeded off here by the admin in the past few months. If you don’t like or agree with what someone says, just ignore it.Don’t take it personally and don’t waste your time and energy getting defensive.
No matter what year it is, men are men and women are women. There’s a flow to relationships. Men like to feel like men around women they care for. That means they get to do the work and protect and provide. I’m sure you’re rolling your eyes now, but I used to be like you. I thought hey I”m a liberated woman and it’s the modern era. I can do the asking. I noticed though that if I overtly asked guys out it never worked out. But if I was friendly and let them know I was interested, if they were genuinely interested and genuinely available (as in single and not bogged down with baggage of some kind) they would eventually ask me out, 100% of the time. If they weren’t asking despite my positive signals it meant they were otherwise involved and not a candidate for a relationship.
When you understand that simple truth, your dating life will change.
KI’m reading all of this and you are working way too hard to make something happen between you. Men actually don’t like it when women work too hard for them, it takes their job away and they might not be able to say it, but they will feel resentful and repelled.
You’ve tried to let this guy know you’re interested but he hasn’t asked you out. That means there’s a road block of some kind on his end.
Major clue: “We just sat and talked the whole time and this is when he really opened about the garbage he deals with and he wound up opening up and crying about it all.”
Velvet, this guy is a MESS. Men don’t sit and cry to women they hardly know about their lives. I really feel for him. He’s clearly hurting.
However! This means he is not able to hold up his end of a healthy relationship right now!!!! He knows that. That’s why he’s not asking you out. Men need to feel worthy and if he doesn’t feel that way for some reason, he won’t want to be with you. All your kindness and understanding will not only go into a giant black hole, he’ll wind up hating you for being a combination mother/therapist/fixer.
Black VelvetI never said he broke down and cried when he hardly knows me… I’ve known him for years. There is obviously some sort of comfort level he has with me where he feels he is able to act that way and he knows I won’t judge him.
Not all men want to be “the hero”. If you just do a simple Google search for “why don’t women ask men out”, you’ll read a lot of successful relationship and marriage stories where the woman made the first move, guys saying that they love when a woman takes charge because it creates less pressure for them since society *expects* them to make the first move. And yes, men have issues of confidence and self esteem just like women and they get scared to ask women out as well. Just because he has a penis does not mean he falls into some category that applies to 100% of all human beings that possess a penis.
I came here looking for support, maybe a “I doubt you’re that ugly” or “He probably sees something in you that you don’t see yourself” or “It’s not always about looks”. Instead I am told I am wrong for making the first move and essentially what I need to do is shut up, go back to my corner and act all demure, bake cookies and make sandwiches and let the “man” do all the approaching because “it’s just what men do and like”.
Screw that. I do not buy into it. I know this man better than anybody on here, and just because he possesses a penis does not mean that anybody on here knows him, his behavior and his actions better than I do.
My life is full of nothing but a broken heart, constant rejection and abuse. I know what it looks like when I have feelings for a guy and he feels nothing for me- unrequited loved. I know what that is, what it looks like and how it feels. That is not what this situation feels like. He is different. And just because he has not made a move does not mean he has no interest. Like I said, he shows his interest in different ways. Like asking how I’m feeling when I’m sick. Being the first person to offer to help me if and when I need it. He follows me like a lost puppy dog. If I go on a break he follows me out. When I talked about applying for a new job, he said he was going to apply to the same place. If I post on social media that I’m watching a movie… I’ll go into work the next day and he will say he watched the same one. This has happened at least 3 times in the past 2 weeks. When we are in our group of friends hanging out, it’s me he sits next to. It’s me he spends the majority of his time speaking to. It’s my eyes he looks into. I’m the one he’s constant stealing glances of.
If absolutely none of this indicates any interest on his part… then even this website needs to review their material.
I do appreciate everyone’s input- I really do. But is it really so hard to believe, and accept, that not ALL men want to be the ones to make the first move? Is it so hard to believe that some men find it sexy when a woman takes charge? some men want a woman they can protect and being a knight in shining armor to. Some men like strong and independent women, because we’re not afraid to go after what we want, and in some cases it makes the guy feel good knowing we’re the ones chasing after them, and not the other way around.
And while we have not discussed it specifically, of course, as somebody who has low self esteem myself, it feels good if I think somebody is chasing after me. I can only imagine it must feel the same for others who have low self esteem, whether you are male or female. Everybody wants to feel special.
HoneypieThat’s quite a pitch you’ve given there. Go for it. Why not? A good friend of mine did all the initiating and they are married. She even said let’s get married and chose the engagement ring. She accepts he’s got fine qualities that suit her in other areas. But he’s no romantic nor initiator or anything. He even gave her flowers once that weren’t delivered somewhere else as he is a delivery man, which she lost it at but he genuinely didn’t know why as he thought I wanted to give you flowers as it was valentines and this meant it didn’t cost us money! I know right? However he’s a good heart. He too has aspergers and thinks differently.
OP if you are sure in your thoughts then why not? When are you planning the date?
Black VelvetThank you for understanding where I am coming from! Now I don’t feel so shamed, lol.
But what do you mean why am I planning it? Should I not plan things?
HoneypieWhen are you planning it is what I’m asking – is it soon? I’d like to know the outcome
Liz LemonI never said he cried when you hardly knew him. I said, he cried the one time you had a private conversation with him. Because you said:
“I have only been alone with him 1 time- We just sat and talked the whole time and this is when he really opened about the garbage he deals with and he wound up opening up and crying about it all.”
I think at this point you’re really on the defensive and not even open to taking advice. I gave some really good, nonjudgemental, concrete advice for a home date in my reply and you didn’t even acknowledge it. Instead you made a point of misunderstanding one sentence in my post. So it seems pointless to try to offer advice, if this is your mindset.
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