Home › Forums › Complicated Situation / Mixed Signals › How do i actually walk away?
- This topic has 18 replies and was last updated 2 years, 7 months ago by Ewa.
-
AuthorPosts
-
Stacey
I have been seeing a guy for around 6 months now, he has a stressful job so i am supportive and give him space when i can see he needs it.
I last saw him 3 weeks ago, he is hardly texting, says he wants to meet up but when i suggest a day/time, he either ignores me or makes an excuse.
He has told me he feels overwhelmed with work etc and its not me, says he misses me etc but i just don’t feel like there is any room for me in his life at the moment, i really don’t want to be sitting around waiting for him.How do i actually regain my power here and walk away? Do i text him (as there is no sign of us meeting) and say how i feel there is no space for me and think its best i take a step back. Maybe we can reconnect when things are more settled?
i don’t want to just ignore him as i really was on the path to falling for him and i thought he felt the same way, he certainly gave me the impression he did but i really don’t want this and i need to walk away but i just don’t know how to actually do it.
Ive read so many things on here about being a high power woman, walking away etc but how do you actually do it?!
thank you for your help everyone.
Annahow, you just walk away, you are saying he is hardly texting , so what is there to ignore, I don’t understand?
stop contacting him and if he does contact you, just say sorry but I don’t feel like there is a space for me in your life, wish him well and that’s itLiz LemonYou’ve been seeing this guy for 6 months but haven’t seen him for 3 weeks, and he’s barely texting? I’m sorry to be blunt, but this guy isn’t into you.
Are you exclusive? I’m guessing he’s probably dating and talking to other women. He’s told you point blank that there “isn’t room for you in his life at the moment”. That’s your cue to walk away! You shouldn’t even be pining for this guy!
People make time for what’s important to them. When I met my bf he was working 50+ hours a week, getting up at 5 am for work, co-parenting his son with his ex, caring for a sick parent– and he still took me out 1-2 times a week and called/texted me every single day. If a guy wants you, he will act on it. This guy does not want you, sorry to be harsh but there’s no other way to say it. If nothing else, when a guy wants a woman, he wants to make sure she’s not talking to other guys, so he makes sure to stay on her radar constantly.
You shouldn’t feel conflicted about ignoring him. In fact you should be ignoring him and walking away. He isn’t treating you like someone who’s important to him. So let him go! Don’t you want to date guys who make you a priority?
Eric CharlesKeymaster“He has told me he feels overwhelmed with work etc and its not me, says he misses me”
Then this very well could be true.
Today’s world is crazy and stressful.
You can see it in people’s eyes. Men and women are filled with worry and doubt about the future.
If a man says he’s feeling worried and stressed, then I think it makes sense to believe him.
If it turns out it was just an excuse, OK. Even then, though you’ll have a clear answer and know you can walk away.
But there’s only one way to know it’s an excuse and not a genuine expression: Find out!
Here’s the thing about men and love.
For men, love and sex are totally unrelated.
A man can have ongoing sex with a woman and the sex will never trigger love feelings in the man.
He may very well fall in love along the way, but it won’t have anything to do with the sex. It will have to do with the relationship.
So… guess what?
You’re lucky right now.
You’re being handed a “relationship opportunity” with this situation.
This is not a “relationship problem”. This is an opportunity, perhaps your first opportunity, to start a relationship with a man.
See, sex doesn’t press a man’s “love buttons”.
You know what does?
Deep emotional connection, support and partnership.
And that’s only possible if you deeply understand him emotionally.
Problem is, right now, you’re on the outside of his life.
You’re like a satellite or accessory totally outside of his life.
So when he was with you, it was kind of like a vacation or escape.
I’m not saying that like he didn’t value you or respect you.
What I’m saying is that it’s outside of his life… and his life is the truth about him, who he is, what he’s dealing with.
Sooner or later, the demands of his life catch up with him and he can’t walk away to an escape with you.
The emotional/mental demands of his life drag him down to a place where he feels overwhelmed, like he’s drowning.
Now, again, I called this a relationship opportunity.
Why?
Because this is where a great feminine partner will shine in the relationship.
He’s been struggling. He feels like a loser (that’s the worst feeling a man can feel, by the way). He feels overwhelmed, frustrated, defeated, ashamed, etc.
Well, really, we don’t know exactly how he feels, but this is probably close to it.
Men can get caught up in their negative emotions and locked into a negative perspective, where it feels like they can’t win and they’re just losing more and more.
If a man feels like he’s losing in his life, he will retract from the relationship and pull away.
Giving a guy space when he’s dealing with his problems is good. That’s part of what you want to do.
The other part is being able to “melt him”.
What do I mean?
Instead of coming from a place of fear that you’re losing him and worrying about the relationship…
You just show up with a quiet, soft, “What’s wrong?”
He’ll fight you or deflect or tell you he’s OK, just overwhelmed… because he doesn’t want you to be upset. If you’re upset, that’s more pressure for him.
You are OK. Be emotionally OK. Know that he’s in Hell right now.
And you say again, “It’s OK. I’m OK. You can tell me what’s wrong, it’s OK.”
And you wait… and he’ll give a bit. He’ll maybe give you one tiny thread.
And you’ll just receive and ask more questions. You’ll demonstrate that you can receive whatever he wants to express.
You’ll melt him. I know, deep down, you know what I mean here. It’s programmed in women’s feminine intelligence.
When you’re not caught up in worrying that you’re losing the guy, you can let your deeper feminine intelligence shine through.
Your ability to give him a safe space to listen and receive whatever he says will get the ball rolling.
This is an EMOTIONAL conversation. He’s not looking for you to solve the problem.
And his problem itself is not a relationship problem.
His problem is not the problem.
The “problem” here is that the relationship feels like one more pressure or problem in his life; one more area of failure and demands.
Unless…
Unless the relationship isn’t a source of failing and demands…
What if the relationship is a place he can freely express himself?
What if the relationship is the one place in his entire life where he can “be a loser” and express himself freely, in his moments of deepest pain and shame?His perspective and emotional state have him locked in a prison right now. He hasn’t been able to get out of it.
When you talk to him, you won’t be trying to solve his problem or trying to lead him to a better place.
In fact, the most powerful thing you’ll be doing is receiving his rawest, most vulnerable truths and allowing him to express it without fighting him or shaming him.
The most powerful thing occuring is as he’s sharing himself deeply, you’re OK with him.
What he feels is that even when he’s losing at life, he’s still worthy of your love. You don’t reject him, you don’t try to fix him, you don’t try to control him. You accept him and love him even at his lowest.
That’s what makes the big difference for a man.
He keeps a woman separate from his life because he assumes that showing any vulnerability, fear or weakness will make a woman lose attraction for him.
He feels she’ll have some kind of problem with it, she’ll want to change him or she’ll want to leave him.
So he keeps her away from his life.
It’s at these moments that you can demonstrate your capability of being a great partner when he’s down while also having a deep emotional connection.
This is only possible if you can let go of your fear of losing him.
If you’re caught up in a fear of losing him, then everything you do will be in service of your fear.
It won’t be about understanding him, connecting with him or the relationship itself.
It will only be about you and your fears.
You can have a deep connection with him or you can have your fear of losing him, but you can’t have both.
And what good is the fear of losing him? It’s going to drive you into a ditch and you’ll lose the relationship. What good is it?
If you’re going to connect with him, it can’t be from a place of wanting to “fix your relationship” or get reassurance that he’s not going to leave.
It has to be more like: This relationship is either going to work or it’s not, but if it’s going to work then it’s because we have a deep emotional connection as the foundation.
Either we have that or we don’t, but I’m not going to worry about losing something I don’t have!
Show up quietly and softly. Then melt him.
….
Now, finally… we can talk about how to walk away if you still want to, but I don’t think that’s the move here yet.
If you’re ready to walk away, then… you just decide you’re willing to! That’s it.
But why not try melting him first? What do you have to lose?
Liz LemonEric, I normally love (and I mean LOVE) your advice. And I think what you wrote is 100% spot on. A woman should be a man’s soft place to fall, not another source of pressure or stress. But the OP hasn’t seen this guy for 3 weeks. She’s saying “he is hardly texting, says he wants to meet up but when i suggest a day/time, he either ignores me or makes an excuse.” That kind of treatment after 6 months of dating (!) sounds to me like he’s fading out.
How can she show up for him when the guy is ignoring her, not texting her, and will not meet up? It seems to me a classic case of a guy blowing a woman off. A guy needs to meet you at least more or less halfway if you’re going to become his soft place. (And by “meet halfway” I mean bare minimum he needs to respond to texts and spend time with you!) If he’s not willing to even do that, then what does a woman really have?
MaddieI have a slightly different perspective. This isn’t about walking away to regain power (and walking away doesn’t equal regaining power anyway unless you’re doing it for yourself because you’re done and breaking up). This is about seeing that when this guy you’ve been dating gets stressed, he totally withdraws, and it can last for longer periods of time than you’re comfortable with (which isn’t a dig towards you, why should you accept 3 weeks of being ignored just because times are more challenging??). It’s unclear to me from your post if he’s your committed boyfriend or not, only that you’ve been dating for 6 months. Dating is the trial period to see if the other person is the right match for you. While the notion of “power” is only in someone’s own head, what you’re really asking is what should you do now that you’re in a situation that isn’t working for you. It sounds like you’d prefer to stay with him and want to influence the outcome in that direction, or you wouldn’t be talking about power. But you’re probably actually realizing this dynamic doesn’t work for you. When he has been stressed before, you’ve felt the need to give him space, so it’s his observable pattern that stress –> withdrawal.
I agree with both Eric and Liz. I think it’s both true that you should take him at his word, that it’s him and his stress not you, AND that he’s withdrawing and fading out on you. While that fading out may only be temporary due to the circumstances, it’s going to happen every time he’s under a lot of stress in life. And there’s plenty of stress in life! So do you want to stick around with someone as a long-term partner who turns away from you instead of towards you in hard times? If that works for you, then what Eric is suggesting is what to do next. If that doesn’t work for you, then what Liz is suggesting is what to do next.
The way to get your power back is to be honest with yourself about what you want, and make decisions accordingly. Then it’s no longer about simply reacting to the situation he’s creating and leading. It’s about you being mindful of yourself and your needs as much as being compassionate and understanding about who he is and that it’s nothing personal. That still doesn’t mean it works for you. Again, getting your power back is depersonalizing the situation and not worrying much about what it means that he does this in regards to how he feels about you, and instead deciding if you are getting your needs met and if this partnership full of this behavior is sustainable for you.
RubiWhat is it with people that knows very well they have a busy life with work, kids or whatever yet they are dating for a relationship?! I don’t get it. How will they ever be able to have a successful and groundful connection when in the beginning you’re too busy for that person?
Anyway, OP has already said she doesn’t like the situation and she wants to walk so let him be busy, when he finally realizes he hasn’t heard from you in a while he will reach out, when he does or if he does just tell him that you feel like he has a lot going on for him and you do not see yourself able to build a connection with him. Tell him you understand and you wish him the best.
Eric CharlesKeymaster>> Liz Lemon: ” A woman should be a man’s soft place to fall, not another source of pressure or stress. But the OP hasn’t seen this guy for 3 weeks. She’s saying “he is hardly texting, says he wants to meet up but when i suggest a day/time, he either ignores me or makes an excuse.” That kind of treatment after 6 months of dating (!) sounds to me like he’s fading out.”
Ah, you’re right. I glossed over those details and those are very important details here!
I agree that after 3 weeks of not seeing the guy and being unable to pin down a meeting, it does sound like he’s fading away.
I wouldn’t toss out my message, but I would add some larger context around all of it, which is:
OK, let’s say he’s fading out.
If he’s fading and on his way out… what do you have to lose?
Give up on the relationship now, before it’s actually over.
Give up on it. Let go of it. Look at it as if you two have already broken up, he’s already moved on, you’ve already moved on and you’re both happy and OK.
Bring your mind to that place.
Why?
Because the WORST headspace to be in is to try and save a relationship!
That’s the worst possible lens to look at things through.
It will make you stressed, fearful and pressured. And that will cloud your mind, blocking you off from your natural abilities to connect.
Give up on the relationship FIRST… then anything you do from here is just bonus time.
You can just… be.
You can be unattached, you can be easy about it.
Because, again, what do you have to lose?
The question isn’t, “Can I save the relationship?”.
The question is, “Can I connect with him, now, as he is and as I am?”
If you can’t, you have nothing to lose by walking away. There’s nothing to lose, you can’t lose something you don’t have in the first place.
And if you can connect, then you already have the only thing you ever can have in a relationship: A moment of connecting.
That’s all there is. There’s no “relationship” to get to, there’s no “commitment status” to attain.
The only thing you have is connection and connection happens in the moment, wherever things are.
Can you connect?
If yes, cool. Then you do and don’t build it up into meaning anything.
If you can’t, then that’s cool too. If you can’t connect then there’s nothing left to invest your time and attention into.
On a different note… you’re single until you’re not.
So there’s nothing wrong with opening up your options again.
Within this thing it sounds like you want to know if there’s any possibility of things working out or is it really over.
So OK, as I described above, you can let go of it and then playfully experiment within this connection, unattached.
And meanwhile, you can be opening up your options in case this doesn’t work out. That, too, will take off any pressure you might feel in needing to make this relationship work out.
>> Liz Lemon: “How can she show up for him when the guy is ignoring her, not texting her, and will not meet up? It seems to me a classic case of a guy blowing a woman off. A guy needs to meet you at least more or less halfway if you’re going to become his soft place. (And by “meet halfway” I mean bare minimum he needs to respond to texts and spend time with you!) If he’s not willing to even do that, then what does a woman really have?”
If she can get to a place where she’s let go and unattached, she can just reach out without trying to “solve the relationship problems” or “make things better”.
This is more of a mindset thing than an action thing.
Not to sound woo-woo, but a man can instantly feel what a woman is “serving” when she’s talking to him.
Is she talking to him?
Or is she wrapped up in her fears of losing him, and her words and actions are in service of counteracting that fear?
Men pick up on this kind of thing.
When a woman really is unattached and genuinely reaching out to feel what’s there, he can feel that.
If he feels she’s caught up in her own fears, he definitely will not open up.
If he feels she isn’t, he MIGHT open up.
He MIGHT. Or he might not.
And if she’s unattached, if she has already let go, then it’s OK either way.
At the 11th hour, I can talk about what a woman could possibly do to help things, but I do want to make it clear that it’s not a guarantee it will work out.
What I can say it’s your best approach. IF something can happen, this is the way to get there. If not, well, it was already done.
That’s my thinking here.
P.S. I appreciated your reply Liz. These were good points. Maddie too.
- This reply was modified 2 years, 8 months ago by Eric Charles.
- This reply was modified 2 years, 8 months ago by Eric Charles.
StaceyHi Everyone,
Thank you for your detailed replies.
I read your reply Eric with interest as, like Liz said, I have tried to be there for him whilst giving him space but if he ignores me etc, im not sure how i can melt him as much as i would love to. WE have had deep meaningful conversations prior to this happening and i do believe him when he tells me his is overwhelmed but surely i could expect a text or a phone call in this time too? If he wanted to that is.
That was why i originally asked how to walk away because i don’t seem to have a way to talk to him properly and i thought, given the many articles i have read here over the years, he has simply started to fade away. I don’t want to be in limbo so was looking for a way to draw a line.We are now due to meet today so i will try and talk to him and melt him but i do simply believe a deserve more than how he is treating me at the moment and don’t feel like there is any room for me at the moment.
StaceyHi again everyone,
I took your advice Eric and tried to melt him with no luck, we were meant to be going away yesterday but he cancelled last minute.
Ive decided to walk away, i told him and now he has blocked me.
Can i have some help in staying strong and trying to get through this? Although its my decision the blocking hurts so much.
thanks everyone.AngieBabyStacey, I’m so sorry. Yes – support is here. Blocking you is proof that he was already long gone. Kind of an over the top response to you saying you don’t want to see him any longer. But please don’t let that hurt you – that’s his choice. You can’t control what others do.
I find that when men suddenly get so busy with work they have no time for you it’s a blow-off and the beginning of the end.
Here’s what a man who gets busy with work and cares for you does: I had been dating a guy about two months when he said his busy season at work was coming up. He explained this is an annual thing, it lasts 4-6 weeks and he’ll be working flat out like a maniac during that period. He told me it was likely he wouldn’t be able to see me more than once or twice during that period, if at all, but that he really liked me, would keep in touch and would look forward to spending more time together when it was over. And that he’d make it up to me. (We were officially BF/GF at that point.) I did not get to see him in that period. But I got a weekly long email on a Saturday or Sunday telling me all about his week and always saying he missed me. I’d respond back and he’d acknowledge and then it would be another week until the next email. (He wasn’t a texter, didn’t keep his phone on at work and not one for talking on the phone longer than a few minutes.) Well, when that period was up, he took me out to dinner and a show and the sex was awesome. ;) And we saw each other regularly for a few more months before it fizzled because he turned out to be a commitment-phobe after losing everything in his divorce. He admitted he had a pattern of really liking a woman and wanting to take it forward but at about month 4 when things started to get real, he’d bolt. He admitted I was the 5th woman in 8 years he’d done that with. So, not anything I could have done about that and not about me. But he was terrific and it was fun while it lasted and I’m glad I had that time with him.
I tell the story to point out to the OP and all – that’s how a man who’s into you handles a heavy work schedule.
Eric’s advice about assuming it’s over and attempting a genuine melt conversation is good. I read what he said and realized I’ve done that a few times without knowing exactly what I was doing.
Men and women dating have a sixth sense for if the other is needy or stable. The words don’t matter. You can just feel it. Like you can feel it if something’s off and they don’t really want to be with you any longer.
So I”m really sorry this one didn’t work out Stacey. It stinks you dated him for 6 months and then he basically just did the slow fade rather than be honest. Hang in there, post here when you need to – you WILL feel better in a week or two and in a month or two you’ll be past it. Hugs.
MaddieI’m sorry things turned out that way, Stacey. But you did the right thing. Breakups are the worst, but it is also true that leaving behind someone who wouldn’t step up allows you to be open for someone who will and who will be a better match for you. It’s good to take some time to mourn this before jumping ahead to the idea of the next, and it’s okay to be sad or angry or whatever you’re feeling!
I used to have an incredibly difficult time walking away from relationships that weren’t working. But as I became more confident and sure in what I was looking for, I’d force myself to start doing it. And the very first time I actually was the one to walk away even though I had feelings for the guy (who said at the 3 month mark that he would never commit but wanted to keep seeing me!), when I got past the initial suckiness of the ending, it was incredible to realize I’d stood up for myself and stayed true to my needs by letting go of something that wasn’t working.
So keep hanging in there, because after a bit of time I think you’re going to come out of this feeling stronger than you thought you could be!
StaceyThanks everyone.
He actually sent me a message saying he is sorry he made me get to this point and he understands he has been selfish lately – for a long time.
I says he cares about me, our connection etc but still he didn’t pick up the phone and ask to see me, he just blocked me so i know i have done the right thing but it hurts so much.Liz LemonI know you’re hurting, but I’d like to try to help you reframe this. This guy sounds like an a$$hole! You’re not losing anything! He knowingly iced you out and strung you along for months. He admits to being selfish. He claims he cares about you, but did absolutely nothing to show it when you were dating him. You dated for 6 months and he consistently ignored you, refused to see you, didn’t even bother to answer texts.
Don’t believe this guy’s words, believe his actions. I’ve been there where I’ve dated guys who treated me poorly, but then talked a good game when I made a fuss or threatened to leave. Said how much they cared about me, how amazing i was, how much they needed me, etc. And as soon as I quieted down and agreed to stay with them, the poor treatment continued.
If anything you should be relieved that this is over. This guy was not going to change. Like I said, I know you’re hurting, take some time to focus on yourself and heal. But speaking from an outsider’s perspective, you haven’t lost a d@mn thing here. This guy is not worth your time or suffering.
tammyi agree totally with Liz. he was doing a slow fade and when you called him out, he blocked you. i know your hurting but really good riddance. his behavior shows that your doubts about him and the situation was not misplaced. just focus on keeping yourself occupied for next few days so that you don’t have much free time on your hands to brood. tk care.
StaceyThank you everyone – still crying every day and wanting to call him but i am resisting and hope this passes soon.
Thought i would be stronger given he clearly doesn’t care but not yet, ill give it time.thank you again
EwaStacey, with each day it will get easier! if you need to , I know it might be the last thing on your mind, but go back to dating sites and chat to other guys, sometimes it is good to know even if you are not interested in meeting anyone at the moment, that you have other options. As women we sometimes think that this guy was special, great and we won’t find anyone like him but trust me, I have been in your shoes and you will find someone who won’t be ignoring you, who will be there for you, who won’t be making excuses.
You need to recognize when someone is doing slow fade and cut them off as soon as you see any signs. What he did was extremely harsh and he wasn’t man enough to let you know he isn’t into you so he strung you along , he kept you as an option.
Why would you want to call a guy who does all those things? He is not a nice man and your name/number does not belong in his recent missed calls.
It is a horrible feeling, I can’t sleep. eat, socialise when it happens but he doesn’t deserve you call because like you said he doesn’t care and in those last 3 weeks he showed you he isn’t worth your attention.
In fact he blocked you? Like who does that? was he expecting that you will be calling him 24/7? well if he did then now it is your time to prove him wrong.StaceyThank you Ewa, I know, i need some harsh words to snap me out of this.
I don’t get the blocking thing either, he admitted he had been selfish but blocks me after I am honest with him.
I think the issue i have is i am mid 30’s, been married and had previous bf’s and never felt the way i did when we were together and he said the same so i thought i meant more and if im honest, i thought we would go the whole way but i was wrong.
I know everyday will get better, i just need to stay strong.
thank you again.
EwaI am in my early 30s and I was dating someone for 10 months and this guy acted like my bf but never wanted to commit and tbh I never had any hopes this will turn into something , because as soon as he said let’s take it slow etc i started distancing myself emotionally , but he was one of the best I’ve had, he was sending me flowers, always paid for dinners, made plans , always initiated . But guess what I don’t see him as a great guy, because a great guy would not be wasting my time like he did , great guy would commit etc
one day he ended it in person and the next day I joined dating site and few days later started talking to someone and now I am in a relationship and I was single for 6 years prior!and I was like you thinking , dating sucks these days, men don’t even want to date, it is hard to find a connection, but I let go of those feelings . In a week or 2 you will see that you are worth much more and this guy was just a lesson for you, a lesson of what you don’t want in your life.
-
AuthorPosts