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I’ve been thinking about this, having discussed it with a few friends recently and hopefully you ladies can help to shed some more light on this.
WhatHow do you decide if th situation is reversed?
Everyone has their own standards regarding what type of person makes them want fwb rather than gf. So it will be different depending on he man.
HelenaI wish I knew Ianthe. I was heart broken after I met up with a guy after several who I had been close (platonic)friends with for an extended period of time. And all he saw me as, was an easy lay that he could call after midnight. Meanwhile he has other female friends who he sees as relationship material. But not me.
I’ve read it has something to do with men seeing you as vulnerable and taking advantage of it. And that they will have more respect for someone who has confidence and is seen to put a high value on themselves. But trying to pretend I’m someone I’m not, is not for me.
redcurleysueIt is very true that how a person thinks of themselves carries over to how others will see them. If I think that I am valuable (and I do) then I will only accept certain treatment.
Here is a way to look at it. I am the Queen of my own kingdom that I run on a day by day basis. Who I allow into my kingdom of family, friends and associates is up to me. I put value on those people. When a man enters my kingdom to entreat me to date him I measure him by my standards (which are high in several areas, such as respect, regard and etc.) after all, I am a Queen.
If he is out of line I quickly reject or banish him from my kingdom…I don’t want low value men close to me or those I care about. I do not quickly sleep with a man since that would lower my value and I have high respect for myself.
If I like what I see then I continue to date this man and get to know him…I want to know all about him, where does he come from? Who is his family? Who are his friends and what are they like and what kind of values do they hold? What are his interests and dreams? What are his goals? What does he want out of dating? I want to know all I can and he should be displaying the same mindset and getting to know me as well.
This takes months of what I call scoping…learning about the other. As I get to know him and he gets to know me this is where decisions are made. If he sees me as valuable as I see myself then he will move forward and declare feelings for me. He will want me to be his GF and continue our relationship forward. This is a turning point, if I see value in HIM (here is question for me) then I will agree to the relationship. If I have any doubts or questions then I refuse the honor and send him on his way.
I do not give my precious emotions to just any man who comes my way…I know some will not be worthy…I have to get to know them to see who is who. I will not give my heart to a man until he hands me his. And even then, my heart has many people in it so he gets the piece designed for him to have…no more or less.
Beyond all this, a man wants a woman to stay in his life if she has high value in his eyes and fits into that life. How she sees herself plays very big into all this…if a woman respects herself and the people around her, if she fills her life with truth and kindness and puts light into her kingdom then many men will see her as valuable.
If a woman easily sleeps with men, does not respect herself and treats herself as a doormat then men will not take her seriously nor want her as a GF. They want to be PROUD of a woman, they want to feel they have won a PRIZE that they had to work for. If you come too easy then you have low value. I do not play games, I have a busy life that a man has to fit into. Since I have a kingdom to run I don’t have time to text all day or go out every time he asks…sometimes I just cannot make it and I am sorry.
I hope this gives you more understanding as to what men see as value.
JasonNo paragraphs needed, as a man I will state three words
Communication
Honesty
RespectIt is really that simple. Yet it is sooo hard to find a woman who can balance these three simple factors, flaws exist in your mind and your physical appearance, the above three are in your control if you simply want to try it.
JamesJason brings up the point of simplicity, guys do not think about this stuff. We think about the basics this stuff is too complicated for us. Look there is a reason that guy and girl friendships are hard because when do you get to the point where you like the person so much you love then. Guys above all else listen to honesty, if you state your intentions as it more serious than FWB then usually they will decide then, leaving you minimal heartbreak. Girls number one thing is guys do not know how to read emotions, it is very difficult for us because you guys have a broad range of them. But don’t worry not all guys are huge dumbass jerks:/
NellieJason,
Do you care about her income?
NellieOh and James too, do you guys care about how much she makes?
JasonJames, just because something is complicated to you does not mean it is complicated to all other men. I studied Human Services in college and most classes were filled with women, yes I overlooked Doctor, Lawyer, Engineer etc. to be in the field of helping those with mental and social issues.
As an aspiring psychologist I absolutely am confident in my ability to read emotions, I can often nail it to a T the mood you are in simply from non verbal body language. Do not make assumptions that only women can read emotions. You are feeding into stereotypes and there are enough here, I am trying not to judge all women by one cover so let us all not do the same for men, thus we all have a strong foundation on which we can all speak and learn from one another.
LeslieHow can you read someone’s emottions?
JasonNellie: Her income doesn’t matter, I am not shallow, my ex was in the middle of getting her GED, license, and losing weight. I was in shape, accepted in to college, and had a license and car not too long after exclusivity.
Maybe that is my downfall, but I won’t judge a woman for having a flaw, if she is broke cool. We can do fun things for free/cheap. Only way I would have an issue is if you insist I spend on this big extravagant event and yet you are making 200 a month, that will piss me off. But if you are kind and sweet enough to be humble then cool. Let us go the the cheap bowling alley, lets get some cheap groceries from the Asian mart and we can cook, if you don’t know how I will cook and teach you something, I got a huge movie collection so no renting or theaters, drink a cheap bottle of wine, spirits, beer etc. Just overall be frugal about things, be smart, the money will come but I am 25 and she is probably around the same, so we got 60 years to make that cash flow.
That is my honest to god 100% 2 cents.
~ Jason
Jason@Leslie: By looking them straight dead in their eyes, observing if they look you dead back, a back and forth, a simply quick look down to the ground motion, look above you, glance around the area back and forth, how often do they blink and how normal/genuine does it seem.
Body language is deep, hands are big: Are the hands in the pocket, are they crossing their arms, are they waving their arms, palms open or closed, fists, how quickly or slowly do the move their hands, is it in a violent type manner?
People tap their feet, maybe a pen, maybe they chew on it, or constantly chew gum, constantly sip caffeinated soda. Voice inflection is another one, also how concentrated they are when they speak. Sweat is a big sign of anxiety and fear and such. The human body gives off pheromones when individuals are in certain states be it having sex or giving a speech.
I am no expert and will end with ETC. I will say I have studied the human mind for a good 9 or 10 years, I have so much more to learn, I am not a doctor of psych yet, but that doesn’t mean I don’t know a few tricks here and there.
~ Jason
LeslieHey Jason,
That’s pretty cool, I have always been interested in behavioral psychology. As a guy, what is the number one thing that attracts you to a woman? How can you tell when she is confident and comfortable in her own skin?
NellieThanks for answering, Jason.
I asked because some guys are intimidated by women with high-income, and some look for women with it. I guess different men look for different thing.
HannahI would imagine the same as women decide – based on depth of feelings. If I quite like someone but can’t see it going anywhere long-term, they become a fwb. If I really like them and I think they have potential as a long term partner, I want him as my boyfriend.
I think some men and women do, but it’s not something I’d compromise on either. Whatever a potential FWB did or however much he liked me, he’d never become my boyfriend because the feelings just aren’t there. If a potential boyfriend wanted to be a FWB, I wouldn’t go down that path because I know ultimately I’d want more.
Jason@Leslie: Obviously the number one thing is her looks, so assuming you meant past that it has to be intelligence. She doesn’t have to have a PhD, but if she speaks properly and aspires to learn more that is a huge turn on. All considering we established that she is attractive physically. But communication is the number one key man, men and women need to communicate no matter how difficult it may seem. I cannot stress it enough, people go to everyone but their partners to talk about their issues and it isn’t working.
HannahWhat I’ve learnt most from this forum is how to communicate with my husband. I talked until I was blue in the face but he didn’t get what I was trying to say. I didn’t get him either. Communication is easy when things are good. Very difficult when they aren’t and there’s hurt, anger, resentment, ego and bitterness involved.
JasonFunny thing is that this is the time that communication is most important, hence why I place such importance on it.
Go to sleep brushing it off, well three months later when you spill something boom that subject is randomly brought back to life. Couples have to talk, and talk properly, listen, no yelling etc. I have never had this so it feels odd talking about it, but I believe it regardless of no experience.
iI think you can easily tell when you’ve become less-than-relationship material… What makes them decide? I think it’s the same thing as when a woman friend-zones a guy. When you make unrealistic demands on a guy and he backs down, or when he seems desperate and too eager to please, then you naturally lose respect for him. Similarly, when you sleep with a guy too soon or act like a doormat or have low self respect and put his needs ahead of yours he loses respect for you. As a woman we can still hang out with a guy we’ve friend-zoned but the thought of sleeping with him repulses us to some degree. With a guy it’s similar – the desire to progress the relationship isn’t there and may even seem repulsive to them but it’s easy for them to hang out with you as a FWB and fill the void of loneliness temporarily, although immediately afterwards they will feel dirty and spiritually unwell, the same kind of feeling you get after you’ve just masturbated to some nasty-ass porn. You got off, you got the job done, but at what cost, man? At what cost???
HannahTotally agree Jason. it comes back like a boom because it wasn’t actually resolved. Both people didn’t feel they had their thoughts listened to and they didn’t understand where the other one was coming from. When you can really communicate, you can understand and either get over it or not.
LaneIts too complex of an answer as to why we feel different ways about different people, but that ultimately is the deciding factor.
Its no different than choosing a best friend over an acquaintance; there’s something special or unique about that person that draws you to them and to lose them would be very painful.
If a man doesn’t want to make you his girlfriend, then he doesn’t see you the same way he does with ladies he’s either had a crush and/or got into a relationship with. For instance my now ex husband had a major crush on me for about 6 months before I even agreed to date him. I asked what it was about me and he listed both physical and personality attributes that made him want me over all others.
Its the same with dating, there are those we really ‘click with’ and others we don’t. Its not that there’s anything wrong them, its just the way we’re wired in mate selection. There is also a biological difference between men and women; women are wired to find a mate, but men are wired to sow their seed. If a man isn’t interested in settling down then he’ll sow his seed with as many women he can because there’s a huge supply of VG’s out there, so why should he settle on one?
If women weren’t so sexually liberated, and the supply was super low, then men would be forced to settle down, or go to a prostitute, if they wanted to get laid.
VanI am aware that there are various reasons why a man would desire a woman to be his “boo thang”, but if we are going to look at it from the point of “love” being one of the reasons, then I think his deep desire for her is based on something he sees in her or wants from her that he doesn’t easily find in other women. It doesn’t mean that if he doesn’t “have it” for you, that you are doing something wrong, but what it means is that he hasn’t discovered that thing about you that makes him “click” and usually he discovers it quite quickly and if it has been three/four months of y’all dating and spending time and he hasn’t established a need to take you off the market, then the relationship will probably not go past the FWB stage (a few exceptions).
FWBs’ are usually due to a lack of real connection, therefore, many men will be sexually drawn to tons of women, BUT it is highly unlikely he will develop a real connection for her.
Many women tend to make a connection a lot more frequently than men, and this is the element that causes her the frequent heartaches…because the woman can love over and over again, but men (few exceptions) usually don’t fall in-love so repetitively. It is VERY, VERY, VERY, difficult to penetrate a man’s heart.
MariaVan, I agree with you on most things, but why do you say it is so difficult to penetrate a man’s heart? I don’t think so. If he is not on a rebound or in any other heart-monopolizing circumstances and if he is open to love, it is not that difficult. The thing is most men consciously close themselves out from potential feelings because they don’t want to get hurt, but women are less careful (and less selfish in this sense), so they experience these feelings more often. I heard from many guys that they’ve been in love several times, within a 10 year period, and most prefer to marry for love. Granted, the love that blossoms at the beginning usually gets cooled off bu the time people get married, but when it forms the foundation of a relationship, this is when men are likely to commit. Provided that their “future wife” fits their requirements for wife material, of course. If not, then they will love this woman but will not marry her. Wife material always wins. Just as it does for us, women. We can love one guy and marry another, who we know would be a better husband.
VanYou said: The thing is most men consciously close themselves out from potential feelings because they don’t want to get hurt, but women are less careful (and less selfish in this sense),
So, I think whatever the reason being, even if the reason is for the above comment, then they are purposely using that as a reason to close off their hearts, which in turn, makes it very difficult to penetrate their heart. But I did say there are few exceptions…not all men.
It’s just my opinion any way.
EmMen want to be with a woman who makes them feel happy, positive, and appreciated, and a woman who makes him feel like the man. If they’re looking for a serious relationship, they will also assess how good of a wife and mother you would be. If you’re desperate or sleep with a guy with no commitment, most of them will write you off for a serious relationship.
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