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Victoria
I’ve been talking to and dating this guy for about three weeks and we’ve been hooking up, seeing each other regularly, spending a lot of time together, enjoying simply being in each other’s company, and are having deep conversations about each other’s lives (i.e. goals, personal fears, family issues which he classifies as things he “doesn’t like talking about” but still shares with me in our conversations without me having to do anything…etc.). He’s been eager to share the things he loves with me (e.g. movies, music) and he regularly tells me stuff like: he enjoys “hanging out…taking me out to dinners…cuddling, holding me, having me in his arms…seeing, being with, me….etc.” (In quotations because these are things he says and, from what I see, truly feels.).
Despite it being only a few weeks, for me and out of principle, the relationship is at a point where I wouldn’t be ok if he dates other people. I would feel cheated on. I believe my feeling this way is completely reasonable (again, at this point in the relationship). I struggle with the concept of having an open-relationship with a guy I am dating like this, and I feel that communicating that I would want my partner to inherently have this same principle is fair. I believe this is a core value of mine. If a man doesn’t inherently foster that principle, I have no problem with civilly ending the relationship (and have before).
At this point in a relationship, am I being unreasonable in: (1) wanting to be with a man exclusively, and (2) leaving the relationship if he doesn’t want to be exclusive?
CleoI agree with you. If you are at the point where you feel that he and you are fully invested in a relationship with each other then you should not be dating others. I wouldn’t bring up the talk personally, because I feel it may scare some guys away. In my situation he just randomly called me his girlfriend after about two months of dating. I would just enjoy each moment you have with him, and see where it takes you from there along with not concerning yourself with a label at this point, since it has only been a few weeks.
If YOU DO want to bring up the exclusivity talk, I would do so in a care-free manner, just asking him where he thinks the relationship is going. Idk, that is just my two cents. I hope it all works out.
VictoriaHi, Cleo! Thank you so much for your response.
I wasn’t looking for a label. I just communicated to him that I wouldn’t feel comfortable dating other people and would want my partner to feel the same way. I actually was cutting things off with him because prior he said he’s ok with open-relationships (he’s been exclusive before). I just wanted to be “exclusively dating” out of respect for my feelings–I wasn’t trying to be his “girlfriend”. Does this change your perspective? Under these conditions would you have brought up the conversation?
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After explaining to him my principle, right before I was going to say, “…so it isn’t going to work out and we’re just going to have to end it here.” He interrupted me and said that he would be exclusive.LaneWhoa, hold on here! Sorry, but this is a very bad approach so early in the process and its not right or fair to make demands on people your dating. If YOU want to be exclusive that’s fine, but to expect a man to be exclusive before he’s ready or willing commit is not the right way to handle it.
You need to pull back here a bit because you’re moving way too fast. Dating is about getting to know each other and men date opposite women whereas they don’t date to get into commitments, they date to feel her out, test her in different situation, see how she communicates, handles people/issues and don’t even think about commitment UNTIL they FEAR potentially losing you to another man! If he hasn’t gotten to that point, then you will be taking a HUGE RISK by trying to control, use force or make demands on a man.
Just relax, enjoy your time, and until HE brings up getting exclusive with you, he’s free to date or see anyone he wishes, and so are you. Its not a race, so if you want to potentially lose this guy I wouldn’t have that talk so early. There’s an article on here about “how to ruin a budding relationship” that I suggest you read, and also “asking men to be exclusive” before you ever consider having this talk.
VictoriaHi Lane,
Thank you very much for your feedback!
I think there are some gross misunderstandings from my post. I, in no way, was imposing a committed relationship upon him. I simply communicated to him the following, “At this point in the relationship, I would feel uncomfortable dating other people and would want my partner to inherently (aside: keyword here, inherently) feel the same way. And if that is not something you wish to do, to stay true to my principles, we’re going to have to part ways.” In no way was I controlling. I was holding his hands and expressed this to him in a kind and “matter of fact” manner.
Plus, he committed. ;) Nevertheless, he clearly displayed “cold feet” the week after we had the conversation. So I chalked it up as us simply not being compatible in something I believe to be a core value of mine, and civilly broke it off.
I’ve read all of Eric’s material, btw, and go back to them regularly for refreshers. ;) Thank you for the reference, however! I appreciate the effort and your feedback. :)
NanaVictoria, I have a lot of respect for you for making it clear how you feel. I’m exactly like you, I don’t like to be in a relationship without knowing what it is we both want out of it. I like to know early on in the relationship whether a man is looking for long term or not. And whether or not we’ve had that discussion, I don’t expect someone who does the things you mentioned above with me, to go and do the same with another girl, simply because we are not “exclusive”? I mean, who even comes up with such concepts??? If someone is gonna do whatever they want just because we haven’t had the “exclusive” discussion, then they are just a cheat and lack morals.
I haven’t been in many relationships because of that, which I totally have no problem with, and I have also saved myself a lot of heartache. I’d rather not be in a relationship until I meet someone whose values and principles are like mine, than be in a so called “open relationship” where I wait for a guy to decide to be exclusive, and all the while be hurt. For me, there are things that I strongly believe and not willing to compromise on, and any guy who believes otherwise is not worth my time.
So honey, stay strong and don’t lose your principles and the right one will come! oxox
LAgirlVictoria,
Three weeks is way too early for a man to commit to you. And yes, asking him to not date others is being committed. Simply because you used different words doesn’t change what you asked for.What’s not stated is that you may have driven a man away who was going to make that decision on his own, given a few more weeks time. When you want something out of principal it’s best to state that up front and not after you have been into it and having sex. For example this forum is clear to suggest on the first date or meet up to indicate what you want and are looking for. You don’t frame it up that you want it with HIM, but it’s what your principals are.
You assumed he felt the same way about you after 3 weeks of hooking up and as Lane suggested men do not date to get into relationships. They do it for companionship. When the right ‘one’ comes along only then will he step it up and let you know he wants to only see you.
You forcing the issue took that power away from him. Men hate being forced to make a decision like this so it is very typical for a man to initially agree with something but then revert back to how he really feels at that point in time.
Men do not bond the same way women do and they have their own timelines. You. Can’t expect him to be on yours. I don’t think you were incompatible.. I believe you rushed him into something he had not yet decided on his own.
Lastly, men have no problem seeing multiple women at a time, because again, it’s just company. In the same way they can have sex and never emotionally attach to that woman.
I’d suggest you state your principals up front and not several weeks in… It will save you time if the man isn’t on the same page AND it will prevent you from losing a good man because you feel the need to rush his decision process to fit your own needs and timeline.
VictoriaHi, LAgirl!
Thank you so much for your feedback and perspective.
*****Your entire post is predicated upon the assumption that I didn’t tell him, on date one, that I am looking for a committed relationship…*****
…when, in fact, I did.
On date one I clearly said, “Just so we’re on the same page and before we go any further with this, I not looking to be a fling/friends with benefits/booty call kind of deal. I am looking for a committed relationship.”
Therefore, I feel that he and I simply discovered we are incompatible when it comes to this particular principle. And that’s OK! :) That’s what the dating phase is all about. ;) It simply is a discovery based in chance that he and I met and didn’t truly share the same perspective.
Again, and that’s ok! ;)
BUT, because we didn’t share that same perspective on something I believe to be a core value of mine, it was time for me to go our separate ways.
If I stayed in the relationship, I would have been: (1) compromising a core value, and (2) settling. Out of the millions of people in the world, I know there are people out there who would also feel uncomfortable in-exclusively dating someone like this (“like this” being defined in the parent post). So, it is simply a matter of time before I (again) run into someone who shares my same perspective—and that is something I am looking forward to! :) ?
Thank you, again, for taking the time to provide me with feedback!
LAgirlJust curious… When you told him from the start what you wanted.. How did he respond? Did he say he wanted the same thing or not respond at all… Usually the reason for doing it so early is to test his reaction?
Did he initially say he wanted the same as you ? Otherwise how could you not be on the same page 3 weeks after that discussion?
LaneSorry but dating has nothing to do with values. Dating is simply a process where people are FREE to date any one they wish to see if they click, and if over a period of dates the guy likes you enough he MAY commit or he MAY NOT if he doesn’t have strong enough feelings. Commitment IS EXCLUSIVITY which means your BF and GF—Dating simply does not have those requirements and you can’t enforce them.
You can TRY to, but your odds of a man agreeing to such would be slim to none. The values comes in AFTER the both of you agree to commit and become a couple, but not before. You need to re-evaluate your thought process here because its not realistic and is manipulative, controlling, demanding, needy and desperate—not a winning dating formula.
NanaWell, I don’t agree that dating has nothing to do with values. It’s not something that you can put on and put off, values are in you and you have them all the time, and they shape the choices that you make and your actions. So if someone only has values when they are in a committed relationship, then I don’t know what that is.
TerreIm curious as to what others would think an appropriate and self-respecting response to having a fully grown man hesitantly ask for or admit its a break up between you and before you know it have you in a sitting duck place by requesting a meeting about it in months to come to see if he wants it to be completely official for himself.
VictoriaHi, everyone! ?
I just want to add to these bits because I want to clearly demonstrate where I was coming from during the exclusivity talk. Also, I discuss, what I believe, was THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM.
CONCEPT #1: I’ll be me. You be you.
I never communicated to him, “Be with me or DIE!” lol xP
I want him to be happy. I want him to be comfortable. I want him to find the relationship he’s looking for.****I am more than happy with HIM being in an open relationship. At that point in our relationship, I (me, myself, my person, Victoria) was not comfortable being in an open relationship.****
And I believe feeling uncomfortable with open relationships at that point is completely reasonable. It may not be who you are. But it is who I am, and I need to stay true to me in order to bring about happiness and fulfillment in my life.
Now, if I had felt those seemingly deeper emotions after date #2, I’d have to get that checked. :PCONCEPT #2: Do you truly know what you want?
I know he prefers open relationships (as you all do as well at this point in our journey together :P). With that in mind, during the exclusivity talk and after he decided to commit, I actually asked him, “Are you SURE? I mean, really think about that. I wouldn’t want you be with me exclusively right at this moment just because it is what feels right for me. You also need to do what feels right to you. I would spend some time thinking about that.”
He then responded with, “Yes, because you’re worth it.”
***** CONCEPT #3, THE LESSON LEARNED: We moved too fast > Emotionally, I developed faster than he did. > He ran for the hills.*****
The problem wasn’t having the exclusivity conversation. The exclusivity conversation was a product of the true underlying problem:
*****We moved too fast and as a result, emotionally, I developed faster than he did.*****
The lesson I learned from being with this guy is:
Before he and I talk about exclusivity, I can’t do anything (e.g. sex) that brings about those seemingly deeper emotions within me. If sex makes me feel those deeper emotions, I must stay away from it while dating until he naturally commits to me at the same emotional level.
Otherwise, we’d have Pon Da Replay (thanks, Rihanna!).
Yeah, it is old-school. I am who I am. I’ve learned that I am a person who cannot have casual sex without propagating those seemingly deeper emotions. So, for future date-ables, I must work with who I am and conduct myself in a way that would bring about a better outcome.
VictoriaSorry, the “?” after “Hi, everyone!” wasn’t supposed to be there. It was supposed to be a smiley face. Ha ha
VictoriaHi, Nana!
I agree. Great point!
VictoriaHi Nana,
To: “So honey, stay strong and don’t lose your principles and the right one will come! oxox”
Thank you very much for the support and love!
LAgirlYou never answered my question regarding what he originally said when you told him up front you wanted a committed relationship. Did he say he wanted the same or did he not respond? It seems to me if you brought that up on date one you would have had your answer then as. To what he was really looking for.
LaneVictoria you outlined it well, but I stand fast by not EXPECTING a man to date only you exclusively because it IS asking for a commitment! This is not a VALUE, its a manipulative way to force a man into making a commitment to you. In majority of cases it takes a man three times longer than a woman to get there because they aren’t in touch with their emotions like we are. They often don’t know WHY, WHAT or HOW their feeling because of the way their brain’s wired.
For instance, if you were looking to buy a new pair of shoes and you kind of knew the type/style you want so you went to a bunch of different shoe stores trying some on until you finally found the right pair/fit. This is how guys process and deal with emotions, it not like BAM that’s exactly what I want. Although they may be very attracted they still don’t know how they feel until they go through a number of dates (test drives) before they even THINK about committing to them because of the time it takes for them to fully process their feelings.
A man can be attracted to several females and females can be attracted to several men which is what the dating process is about—deciding WHICH man/woman is the best fit for you in the long run. The “don’t put all your eggs in one basket” is the best definition of dating because if you decide to only date ONE MAN AT A TIME you could potentially be losing out on meeting someone that would have pursued you BUT FOR you weren’t available to meet him.
Once you BOTH decide to commit, its just another round of “test drives” to determine if he truly is who he represented during the dating phase and vice versa. Dating is just a dog and pony show because both of you are on your BEST behavior and until you’ve had a lot of TIME to fully peel away this mask you don’t know if you got a lemon or not.
NanaYou are welcome Victoria!
I want to point out to anyone willing to know, that we make too many excuses for men and that’s the reason why many of them treat women the way they do. Yes there are many men who want to date many women at a time without commitment as outlined above, but I know some who aren’t like that.
Also, Eric Charles has a lot of good advice which a lot of us can learn from, but most times it’s a one size fits all”
NanaContinuation and correction: most times it’s NOT a “one size fits all” kind of thing, we should use our own judgement.
I personally don’t let a man treat me as an option, right from the start.
LAgirlNana
Can you elaborate? How can you avoid being an option in the very early stages of dating? You assume just because a man asks you on a few dates that he cannot date anyone else at the risk of losing you? That doesn’t make sense….I’m thinking you didn’t mean to state it that way. Your saying its ok to tell a man two weeks into seeing you that he has to ONLY see you or your gone?
confusdOk i met a great guy about a month ago we’ve soent alot of time together along with many conversations. He’s even told me he falling in love with. So me trying to honest had to be honest and tell him the truth. Here goes, my wouldn’t allow me to work and put me through alot of mental and emotional abuse. I decided enough was enough and got out of it. So my ex agreed to help me financially for six months while i get on my feet needless to say i told the new guy the truth and he told me we were ok and he still loves me and about 6 hours later he need some time. I just felt putting everything on the table now would be better than him finding out later.. i asked if he’s having second thoughts about us and he not responding to me at
AnnThis is an interesting thread…. Victoria, I applaud your confidence, you know what makes you feel centered and balanced. And, as far as you moving fast, for me, yes you are, and maybe for the guys you date too, but in the end, it seems like you are so sure about how things work for you, it is what it is. You would be unauthentic if you handled it differently.
My observation, overall is this: I’ve read enough of the posts on this forum to see that if Victoria was a man, we would be thinking “Yep, men fall fast, and he is being assertive and clear about what he wants.” Why do we tell Victoria that its too fast? Why are there such different behavior expectations, dependent on gender? I’m not being argumentative here, I’m really asking. Is it because in the long run 99 percent of guys like to lead?
LAgirlThe difference is in how the overall mating process works between the sexes.
The woman does not pick the man and decide when it is time to be exclusive. Doing so is masculine and generally is not effective because the MAN has to decide if you ‘are the one’ he wants to commit to. Forcing the issue will usually just push the man away.
My fiance told me that men don’t seek out relationships UNLESS 1) he really feels it for her and wants her OR 2) he likes the woman he is with and she pressures him into a relationship. In the second example, he may go along with it initially because he likes being with her and isn’t feeling like looking for someone else right now. BUT, if she starts to show a side of herself he doesn’t like OR he feels trapped/loss of freedom, he will just as quickly disengage from that relationship.
In order for a relationship to work, in general it is best for the woman to wait until the man (men) pick her as their ideal and then from that pool of men, decide which one she wants. Unfortunately, many women don’t understand this and they decide that simply because they are ready and they like the man, that he should feel the same way or be on the same time line.
I believe that is what we saw happened here.. Victoria’s man initially accepted out of pressure, but then thought better of it, and decided it was not really what he wanted with her.
AnnThank you LAgirl.
That clarifies it for me…. Also, what has helped me understand how balance is important: When I was the one being pressured, and didn’t have the same feelings, I felt trapped and panicky. So, I try to remind myself what it feels like.
The quagmire I have always fallen into though is trying to win them over by doing nice things, ugh…. a whole other can of worms.
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