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Back story, we were coworkers for 2+yrs but he left the company during Covid. While he was there I was definitely crushing, and felt he was too, but nothing came of it. One drunk night after a Co party he confessed (after I’m sure I was flirting) that ‘I’m a wonderful woman that deserves a good man, but he hasn’t made a move because he didn’t think he could live up to what I deserve’. We got into deep conversations after that, hugged it out, and slept in different beds at the hotel that night. Flash forward, he left the co during Covid, but we remained in contact weekly just to chat, usually an hr + / once a week. Then he suffered a big loss over the summer, I went to console him , and after briefly agreeing were just friends, we hooked up. This happened a few more times, we had the conversation to clear up intensions, being just friends. And then I got in a relationship for 6mon. We remained friends, talking as usual, but no longer hooking up. Then my relationship ended, we immediately started his hooking up again, and all was (is) well. I’m comfortable where we are, always knew to not expect more, but, now I’m starting to ‘see’ signs he may be looking for more. He calls almost everyday, we talk for over an hour each time, about personal things, and when I’m available (divorced with kids, so every other weekend), he has consistently invited me to meet up with him and his friends, which ends up with me staying over every other weekend.
This last weekend, when he introduced me to more of his friends, as a friend of course, I kept catching him sweetly, longingly looking at me, sharing inside jokes, and us teasing each other. Admittedly, I felt a bit smitten in the moment. And then we spent the night together, cuddling, then he made me breakfast in the morning and another 2hrs chatting before I left.
Then today, he calls, just to chat as usual, then starts saying ‘in hindsight I’ve been an a****e towards you and you always been so sweet to me. I want to apologize for being an ass, and let you know I’m aware of it and will try to treat you better’. Mind you, I never ever suggested this, and I reassured him that I think he’s a nice man, and not to worry or put another thought to it. After we hung up I started wondering why he even brought it up?! Then he called back later, we were talking more, he was telling me about his friend and wife, and how he thinks their marriage is his idea of a great relationship, being a team and it’s not all sunshine and roses etc. we talked for 2 more hours, said good night and that he’d call me later this week.Ahhh I’ve been so good about keeping my emotions in check, I care so much for him as a friend, and maybe I’m reading too much into this. But I can’t help but feel, maybe he’s catching feelings. Which I would be open to explore, but I don’t want to let myself go there if it’s just all in my head LoL……
What do you think? Am I fabricating in my head that he’s developing deeper feelings? Or do you think he’s sending me signs and I’m just apprehensive to believe them??
Thanks all!!
ANM StaffKeymasterHi Queenie – The forum software held-back your post, sorry about that! I hope you see it now. Best wishes!
TallspicyHe warned you that you deserve more than he can give. Unless he asks for more, under no circumstances read into it. You have been warned by him, and I actually suggest you go no further without clarification. A simple… our interaction seems to be escalating, just want to see where we are at. Then let him talk.
Liz LemonWhat Tallspicy said.
The problem is, when you feel smitten (which you understandably do), you see things because you want to — “sweetly, longingly looking at me, sharing inside jokes, and us teasing each other” is largely subjective. I’ve been there myself, where I had feelings for a guy and interpreted his looks as longing, because I WANTED him to long for me…I interpreted playful banter as interest in me….when he was not interested in anything serious.
I’m not saying this guy isn’t interested in you on some level, because he obviously is. But I would proceed with caution when a guy tells you he doesn’t deserve you, you’re too good for him, you deserve more than he can give, he’s such an a$$hole, etc. He’s telling you where he’s at. A guy who is seriously interested in a romantic relationship with a woman, and in an emotional headspace where he is capable of one, doesn’t tell her he’s an a$$hole and not capable of it. From the sound of it this guy is enjoying your company but it’s not clear whether he wants anything serious. Which is why, like Tallspicy said, you should ask him outright.
T from NYSigh. I just ended a short fling with a guy who said some of the same damn things. I KNEW it was bad when it came out of his mouth, so expected it would end. And it did. He ended up being a complete ass.
As my daddy used to say – “If a man tells you he ain’t good enough for you, he probably ain’t”.
The thing is – after this long – and this much interaction and with him telling you directly he doesn’t think he’s good enough, and saying y’all are just friends, INTRODUCING you as just a friend, and then you CONTINUE to sleep with him and be treated like a girlfriend when he’s never called you his girlfriend – you are basically saying to him with your actions “Yo. This is all OK with me”. It’s called a ‘situationship’. They can last years and can definitely break your heart.
See you’re going along right now. What would happen if you said “Hey remember the other day when you introduced me as a friend? I thought that was funny because I feel like I would introduce you as my boyfriend.”? Do you think he’s magically changed his mind? — A friend of mine actually just challenged her situationship guy this past weekend after dating him for a WHOLE YEAR, they’re kids hang together, the spend every weekend together and she asked if she was his girlfriend? He flat out said he would not introduce her as that – but she could do whatever she wanted (roll eyes emoji here). An emotionally available man talks to you. He says the words as well as walks the walk. Just beware. You are in dangerous territory here.
ZoeHe clearly told you he doesn’t want a relationship with you. Why are you hoping for a miracle and wasting your time?
NewbieIm sure admin can remove your name or you can go to fb and ask directly to the anm owners to do it.
I agree with most that has been said. He gave you too many disclaimers so far and especially the ‘you deserve more’ is a slick move.
There are cases where a guy changes his mind and wants to be with the woman. They realize it after the woman walked away. Which is why the no contact is so popular. But this guy never even said he was looking for a relationship or hinting at a relationship. I think you can only do what tall lady suggested. Have a talk about it so you know where you stand. And only a hell Yeah counts as a Yes. If you would really be ok worh this being casual you could just let it fizzle out but most of your post shows you have fallen for this guy.
Guys operate different when they want to lock down the woman. Hope you get clarifications soonQueenieThank you all for your replies.
It’s not that I’m hoping for it to happen, I truthfully am happy with how things are, he’s a wonderful friend, we enjoy each other’s company, whether we’re hooking up or not. When I was seeing someone else, we still hung out, with other friends of mine, and were not intimate. He had even met my (now ex) bf.
I have not made myself unavailable to future prospects, I always openly talk with him about my online dating experiences (or massive fails lol), as I mentioned we talk for hours about all things, personal lives, work lives, beliefs, you name it. After the last major flop of online dates, I mentioned I’m taking a break from Apps because how ridiculously bad they went lol, and he commiserated but mentioned that he’s not interested in ever trying online apps.
To be clear, I would not expect him to introduce me as anything other then a friend, frankly I’d be really surprised / caught of guard if he did, as I also always introduce him as a friend. Plus we have great communication, so I’m imagine we would discuss it, if it got to that point.
I guess I was just wondering if what I was seeing could be seen as an increasing level of interest, or if I’m reading too much or too little into it. I agree that the longing looks, jokes, etc is highly subjective, but I guess I noticed it because it was something I hadn’t noticed before. And again, I don’t expect more from our friendship, as we’ve had that conversation, granted that conversation was almost a year ago.ElviraI hear what your saying but I think you are trying to convince yourself that you are OK with the “friendship”….I agree that you can be friends with a man but not when you are sleeping with them and have developed feelings. I feel that deep down you are interested in more with him if not you would not be “questioning” his actions. It is perfectly normal to develop feelings for someone your sleeping with, however you need to change the “friend” pattern. Your giving him the benefits when your not with someone so of course he has the best of both worlds. I was in your situation at one time, but I did not develop feelings for my FWB because I knew that after 1 year of us being FWB there was little chance of him changing the way he saw me. It was too convenient so why change it? After 3 years I met someone and told him it was done and that was it, until I broke up with that guy and there he was again with open arms for another FWB situation (even tho he had dated seriously). So once you have established that FWB it is very hard to get out of it. So I advise if you really like this guy and are hoping for more at one point then stop the FWB.
QueenieThank you for your honest response Elvira. I too have been in this situation before but it was very obvious the other person wanted way more than I was willing to give at the time. In hindsight I know he was hurt, and was so sad I lost his friendship because I felt the need to distance myself since he felt more than I did at the time.
Ultimately, I have completely accepted how our relationship is, and I’m enjoying it. Not to say I wouldn’t entertain more than what it is now, but I don’t expect that it will ever happen.
I do really care for him, and if either of us find someone else that suits us better, I’d be happy for him, as I anticipate he’d be happy for me as well…
I obviously like him very much, but am completely comfortable with the idea of either of us finding someone else.
However, I do feel we’ve been getting closer, and selfishly I admit, I’m enjoying him being close to me, as I am to him.MaddieQueenie, if you both can’t talk about it directly without it causing an issue, then there’s no foundation for a real relationship that you can expect him to show up for. If you’re scared to bring it up because you’re afraid it’ll scare him off, and if he’s too passive- aggressive to bring it up, something is wrong. You sound like you can own your feelings well enough in regards to how you write about it, so I am more inclined to say he’s causing the mixed signals here. But, frankly, you should just call him out on it (in the way TallSpicy suggested) if you want this to be a healthy interaction, even if that interaction continues things being fine for you both as just FWB. Clear boundaries and expectations are important, even in just casual situations.
And I agree with everyone else who said he’s told you where he’s at with all his insecure comments about himself. I think he’s in this FWB situation because it’s all he has the capacity for with pretty much any partner at this point in time, and you’ve so far signaled that you’re comfortable enough with the situation. Nothing wrong with that as long as you’re being honest with yourself about what you want. But I wouldn’t expect him to magically change into an attentive partner if he’s not even at a point that he can open and honestly communicate with you (if he has caught feelings). Trust, communication, and consistency is required for a successful serious relationship. That’s why he would need to take clear initiative to make things official if there was any hope of him growing into a decent partner over the course of your situation with him… and that’s only one step and indicator in a process that he doesn’t sound ready for.
QueenieI agree completely Maddie, and thank you for your reply.
I do not have expectations, I love our friendship, with or without the sex (although the sex is phenomenal lol).
I’ll try to figure out a way to just ask where we’re at without sounding like I expect something. because I don’t.
Agreed that I’m nervous to even mention it because I’m happily enjoying what we have, just curious if there’s more interest, only because of the few things I mentioned above, which are new to our dynamic in my head, but the reason I even started this thread, was I wanted to know if the slight changes warranted being noticed. If not, that’s totally ok with me, and I just don’t want to make things awkward by asking and potentially affect our friendship (not even referring to sex etc).
QueenieThis might sound weird, but I kinda want a males perspective haha
QueenieAlso, I never said we couldn’t talk about it. I was just looking for opinions if it was even worth mentioning.
After thinking about it more, and reading all the comments, I think I may have just thought too much about his cute gestures, and I’d rather enjoy what we have, than mess it up with too much emotional attention.
Could it be that one day? Maybe? But that’s not a requirement or concern right now
Is it that now? No
Am I enjoying my close friendship? YesThank you all for your input!
NewbieWe have one man, Anderson, it might take a while before he chips in.
I do think you are playing the cool girl too much and by keep insisting this works out great. Makes me wonder if youre emotionally unavailable yourself tbh. This scenario with a nice thoughtfull guy who talks and is great to have sex with is awesome but those pesky feelings get in the way.
If you cant ask what he thinks the two of you are, because that question plays up in your head from time to time, simply because you feel that would make him think you want more. Then you are not being very true to yourself or the friendship. All those lines about not rocking the boat, i dont want to mess up with emotional attention etc etc. Starting to realize you like a guy more than expected is not a crime you know.
I think you are smart and can talk this into anything you want and how it suits you etc. But think about your true emotional needs? Dont you want to find someone who can handle them without you worrying it will drive him away.
I dont want to dismiss your thought you are happy with this. Im just saying i seen some evidence of the opposite in the posts you wrote.AnonI read in one of the articles on here about guys liking the relationship or the way things are and will not look to change anything unless they want to change things. So what I’m saying is that he likes the way things are- as a FWB- and isn’t looking to change things into anything else.
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