Is it okay to dismiss a decent guy so soon?


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  • #942469 Reply
    Sish

    I started speaking to a guy from a dating app. He was very respectful and good to talk to. And is looking for a life term partner. He didn’t seem desperate in anyway. But he really likes me and wants to build something serious with me.

    I had a conversation with him a got to learn a few things:

    1. He plans to quit his job and move back to his home town in the long run. And he wants to start a startup. I mean that’s okay but I was looking for a more of a corporate person maybe I am not really sure. Also, I absolutely never want to settle down in a small city. So if his plan is to start his business in his hometown which is a small town I am not going to move. And the relationship will end. At this point I am in no mood to deal with relationships that are likely to end. I am looking for something solid. Also I am not looking to settle down with anybody’s parents.

    2. He has never had a girlfriend. That makes me a little worried because that means he is 32 and still isn’t aware of the complexities of relationships. That. Could be a problem. I want to be with a mature person. He says he never had a gf because he was busy building his career.

    3. I have no idea of his financial situation. He isn’t poor. But I don’t know from his background how much he earns. I don’t want to sound mean or like a gold digger but I do want to settle down with a guy who is doing well financially.

    4. But I am sure he is a loyal and trustworthy person. He is deeply spiritual and believes in karma. And integrity is very important for me in a person.

    So I can only hope that if we start dating he falls so madly in love with me that he gives up on his dream of settling peacefully in his small hometown with his parents. Lol. Is this much information enough for me to move on to the next guy or should I give him a chance? I don’t see a point I don’t know. I don’t want to get unnecessarily invested in anyone. I am past that stage.

    #942470 Reply
    Sish

    I am also looking for tips on how to navigate these kind of topics with a potential date. I mean how can you ask someone how much they earn and be sure that they are telling you the truth.
    How to know for sure where they want to settle down, or if they’d be open to settling according to my job. I am a lawyer btw. How to ask somebody of they intend to live with parents without coming across as a bitch. I mean I am totally okay taking care of both our parents in extreme old age. But till that stage hasn’t come, I want to have my own space with my partner.

    How can we save getting invested in anyone before knowing all this. And how to know all this fast.

    I have decided to not date guys who don’t know what they are looking for. Is that okay? Do people change their mind down the line?

    I have started dating after 5 years and I am looking to find the one. I ofcourse want to have fun but don’t want to waste my time much. I am 28.

    #942471 Reply
    AngieBaby

    You’ve been “speaking” with him – have you even met yet?? Sounds like no.

    You are jumping to a lot of conclusions, fast. You’re SURE he’s loyal and trustworthy? You can’t possibly know that at this stage.

    “So I can only hope that if we start dating he falls so madly in love with me that he gives up on his dream of settling peacefully in his small hometown with his parents.” You already want him to change for you. Not good.

    You’re a lawyer? Lady, RELAX! YOu’re going to meet guys and come off as having them on the witness stand for interrogation!! You’re in way too much of a rush to get into a relationship and desperate to tick the boxes instead of getting to know a human being.

    This guy has told you enough that it sounds like you are not a good match based on the fact his dream is to move to his hometown and you know for sure you wouldn’t want to go. I’d tell him that you don’t think it’s going to be good for you two to continue talking as you have life goals that are incompatible and wish him luck in the future. And never had a GF at 32 because he’s building a career IS a yellow flag for sure. A startup business is a LOT of work and the life of an entrepreneur is not for everyone and being married to one can be hard. I think you’re better off sticking to someone corporate, from what you’re written.

    It’s great that you’re so clear about what you want. Put it in your profile what you’re looking for and read carefully what they’ve written in theirs before you start a dialogue. It’s critical for you to screen as much as you can upfront. And then don’t talk a lot before the date. The objective is to meet in person if you match on paper and not get too attached early on. I find dinner dates to be too much for a first date. I learned to meet for a drink and nibbles or a coffee on a weekend morning, 60-90 minutes is ideal. No longer than 2 hours, even if you hit it off. All you’re looking to find out is do you find him attractive enough and are you comfortable in his company. No heavy subjects, no talking about exes. Guy should be asking to meet you within two weeks of connecting online. Don’t ask him out, you want him to do that. Your job on a date is to have a good time, be a pleasant conversationalist and observe what he says and does. And when words and actions don’t match, you should believe the actions, generally speaking. Don’t get sucked in by a lot of sweet talk or future talk. Talk is cheap. You want to see him asking you out consistently and not love bombing you.

    That’s my two cents.

    #942473 Reply
    AngieBaby

    And… you cannot ask someone how much they earn directly, especially on a first date. Very, very tacky. You can make some educated guesses by profession. Otherwise you watch and see if they pay for dates. You can listen to what they say about themselves and their ambitions. Tread carefully on this one. I realize you’re probably a high earner or a high potential earner and want someone who is the same, which makes sense, but you’re going to come across as a gold digger if you’re not careful.

    #942474 Reply
    Raven

    Slow Down!

    You’re making plans with a guy you’ve not met…

    #942475 Reply
    Maddie

    You can dismiss a guy whenever you want, especially if it is clear there are dealbreakers. The faster the better when there are dealbreakers, even if they are decent people. Decent is great, and there are all different kinds of decent, but it doesn’t automatically make them specifically a good match for YOU.

    Do not ever date someone for their “potential”, knowing you both want different things but hoping you can change their mind. I do know someone who started dating someone similar, and they did give in and changed their job to get a standard corporate job they never wanted and dropped a bunch of other life goals and dreams because they felt desperate to get married. Doesn’t that actually sound like a weak man to you? Do you want someone willing to entirely compromise themselves instead of someone you’re actually compatible with? So, great, now that couple has an unequal and unhappy marriage… but they are married, so mission accomplished???

    Figure out what you want in life, meet with people in person who want the same (this guy does not, not at all!), then see if you like each other from there. You can’t rush it, men will run from you if you ask questions about what they will provide for you before they even know you. They will feel you don’t care who they are, only what they will do for you, so they can be anyone who just checks some boxes. It is also a sign of bad boundaries to be so personal when you don’t even know each other or know if you like each other as people yet. Just go on the first date, see if anything happened to come up that was an obvious dealbreaker (like someone mentions they want kids but the other person does not, then no second date). If yes there are dealbreakers, don’t go on a second date. If no, decide if you like them enough to go on a second date. Repeat the same on the second date about the third date. Repeat again. After deciding over a few dates if you like each other enough to want to continue building a connection, then it is less intrusive to start saying what you’re looking for in more depth and seeing if there’s a good compatibility fit. But the first few dates, you are still strangers, and no one owes anyone anything.

    #942478 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    I totally agree with everything that’s been said. Someone can be a decent guy, but it doesn’t mean he’s the right person for you. If you don’t have compatible goals/desires/expectations for a relationship, then you’re not a match.

    You’ll definitely come off as a gold digger if you ask about salary off the bat. If finances are very important to you, then aim to date guys working in high paying jobs (finance, law, whatever).

    And you’re getting way ahead of yourself– you don’t know this guy! You have no idea if he’s trustworthy and loyal.

    #942479 Reply
    Tammy

    Why dont u first meet him? Casually over an erly evening drnk? Just take it cool and treat this as a casual outing with a friend. It may turn out that you guys hv nothing in common or there may be a lack of vibe!

    Besides its just a thought abt starting his own business. May or may not happen. Who knows? I hv a friend who is reasonably intelligent wid a gud corporate job. He kept talking abt starting his own firm. He left a well known corporate group and joined a startup. He wantd to learn the ropes and hv wider responsibility and a bigger role. But turns out there was 24×7 scrutiny and he just cldnt function in that environment. So he quit that job abd startd his own thing. After 1/2 years of his own thing, he now wants to get back to a corporate job bec he doesnt like the uncertainty abt his pay checks and needs a more structured and stable life. That was his view the last time i met him 3 mnths back.

    So dont form opinions widout meeting the person.. and do meet if you find the guy reasonably interesting and attrctv.

    #942483 Reply
    Sish

    Angiebaby: thank you for your response. And lol too. I don’t want to make a guy feel like he is in the witness box. Maybe I am being overly practical and mechanical about the process. I just want it to be like the following:

    1. I decide from the guys pictures itself whether I would find him attractive in person. Rest gets pretty much covered up when you have a phone conversation with them. Their voice, how they talk, what they say can tell you a lot about their attractiveness. I know in person is different but initial attraction you can judge by this much. And I want that the person should be looking for serious relationship that ends in marriage and real love.

    2. Then while talking if you touch upon a few basic topics like their schooling, college, job, job profile then you can make an assessment if that’s in sync with what you want. Many times I spot dealbreakers in these very short conversations.

    3. When the people check these two boxes then I want to go ahead and meet them. To get to know them as a person organically, taking our time. It’s just that if the upper two criterion don’t meet then I don’t want to waste even an hour on that person.

    3. After this within 3-4 dates I would want to know if he wants me to his gf or not. And whether I want to be his gf or not. If we don’t know by then, I feel it’s okay to move on.

    I want this to be my approach but I don’t want it to be mechanical. I want it to be fun and romantic, not heavy.

    And I am not desperate or in a hurry. I just don’t want to waste valuable time getting attracted to men with whom nothi g would work out. All tips appreciated.

    #942484 Reply
    Sish

    Raven: if he sounds like bad news even before meeting then what’s even the point

    #942485 Reply
    Sish

    Maddie: I believe goals can always change. You never know today I want to do a corporate job, tomorrow I might want to become a monk. So I wouldn’t judge if people changed their goals for whatever reason or person.

    #942486 Reply
    Sish

    Liz lemon- I agree at this point I can’t say he’s trustworthy. I was just trusting g my gut. But gotta practical. I have never even met him

    #942487 Reply
    Sish

    Tammy: advice taken. Maybe meeting him once wouldn’t hurt. Just to understand things better.

    #942488 Reply
    Ewa

    3-4 dates you want to know if you are his gf or not? men usually take around 3 months, it can happen earlier, some men ask after first date but I don’t see a point in rushing. How can you tell after 3 dates if he is the right person for you?

    #942489 Reply
    Sish

    Ewa: point taken. But more like being exclusive, not seeing others. How much time does that take?

    #942494 Reply
    Maddie

    People can change their goals, yes. But you should never expect that to happen nor should you expect they’ll change for YOU. Think about how you’d feel if you went on a date with a guy who treated you with the approach you are describing. He isn’t so comfortable with your current career choices, let’s say he wants you to be a stay at home mom not a lawyer, maybe he wants you both to live in a new country in a few years, just hypothetical examples of he wants you to live a certain way because that’s what HE wants in life. Who is he to expect any of that of you when he doesn’t even know you yet? Would that not make you feel uncomfortable on an early date? Aren’t you supposed to see if you even like each other first (assuming, again, that there’s no obvious mismatch and dealbreakers in early conversation) before trying to control every aspect of how the courtship goes?

    #942507 Reply
    AngieBaby

    There’d be nothing wrong with meeting him, but you’d have to keep your expectations very low and honestly I think you’d struggle to do that.

    This is a guy who is 32 and never had a GF because he’s been focused on work. He’s told you exactly what his career ambitions and you don’t like it. I look at things in terms of odds and I’d say the odds of this working are low. But sometimes you have to try that door so you know for sure that it’s locked and you can walk away without looking back. Entirely up to you.

    #942509 Reply
    Ewa

    I am not sure if someone who never had a gf will be a good partner for you anyway. He might say he was focusing on work but to me it seems like he either never wanted to or has some unresolved issues that stop him from committing . I personally would not be interested in a guy who was single all his life. There is something not right with him for sure.

    #942514 Reply
    Tammy

    There is no hard and fast rule. You shld luk out for red flags but at the same time dont be rigid in dating. Play it by the ear and see how things flow. U need to enjoy the process as well. :)

    #942520 Reply
    AngieBaby

    No offense intended – your methodology makes you come off as desperate and in a hurry. You’ve got a lot of rules and time schedules and dealing with humans just isn’t as cut and dried as I think you’d like it to be. Every man you meet is a unique individual and your rules and timings may not apply.

    You don’t want a man who immediately asks you to be his GF. In my experience the faster they burn in the beginning the faster they flame out. On the other hand you don’t want someone who is too slow either.

    Meet each man and treat him as an individual. You’ve got your screening criteria and pattern down pretty good. Now RELAX and have FUN dating! 28 is a great age. You’ve got some maturity and experience and you’re still very young with so many interesting choices in front of you.

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