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I became friends with a guy at the end of last year after meeting on an online platform which we were both using primarily for dating but is a social thing too. After my first reply to him he said I wasn’t what he was looking for (because for the next couple of years I’m studying so travelling back and forth between two places and he was looking for something that could get serious in a shorter time frame), but we got on really well and since I was in the area regularly agreed we’d be friends, we talked very frequently, hung out a couple of times and I really enjoyed his company. He briefly dated someone else but then after a month or so ended that when he realised he had feelings for me and wanted to give (kind of) long distance ago. Realistically if things had worked out we could have spent every other weekend together.
Anyway we dated for a couple of months but then he realised it wasn’t what he wanted after all (he struggled with me wanting to take a slower approach to things, not being able to see me as much as he’d like and had some jealousy issues which he didn’t feel were worth working through given the distance). The ending was a bit of a surprise to me and I was disappointed but we didn’t argue etc., it was all amicable and I understood where he was coming from. We agreed we’d stay friends since that’s how things had started out, and initially (for a couple of weeks) he was very good at keeping in touch and started most of the conversations, I genuinely think at this point he was quite enthusiastic to keep in contact. After a couple of weeks when I was in the area I suggested going for a walk (like we’d done a couple of times before we dated) and he was unexpectedly quite weird about it. At first he said he wasn’t sure he had time (over 2 weeks) then when I said no problem, I understand it might be a bit awkward he insisted it wasn’t that, and suggested a time.
We met for a couple of hours, it was a bit weird not being intimate anymore but it was fine and I thought was a good start if we were going back to being friends. We didn’t talk about anything that had happened between us, just what we were up to etc and we had a laugh. I didn’t hear anything from him afterwards so a couple of weeks later I sent a text – about a movie he’d recommended, he replied immediately but then didn’t respond to my next text (asking how he was) for nearly 2 days which is completely out of character (one of his issues with me was me not replying to texts for hours but he’s always on his phone), I thought he was ghosting me which was a bit of a surprise but I figured there wasn’t much I could do about it. Anyway he did eventually get back to me, he apologised for the delay and said he’d been really busy and we chatted for an hour or two.
I didn’t hear from him again afterwards which I wasn’t super surprised about. I left it a couple of months and I have very recently arranged dates with two other guys who are more on the same page with my travelling. If things don’t become serious with these guys, and he changed his mind I wouldn’t want to start dating him again because nothing about my situation has changed or will do in the near future, and I think he has some issues he probably needs to work on, but I do miss his company (and to be honest I worry about him a little bit because he’s been struggling quite a lot with the lockdown) and I would like him to be in my life in some capacity.
Anyway so my question is that given that he was initially keen to be friends but then seemed to be put off when I suggested hanging out in real life do you think that was just because we needed some time off to adjust to not seeing each other romantically and now a couple of months down the line do you think I can suggest hanging out again, or do you think it needs more time or do you think it’s probably better to just write this one off (i know that’s obviously the easiest solution but it’s not really what I want to do)? For background he is quite an emotional person and the way things ended were definitely about the situation, not me specifically (e.g. I’m confident it wasn’t just an excuse because he secretly didn’t like me or was just looking for sex etc.) we’ve never argued about it all and I don’t think I would struggle emotionally if he was dating someone else since I am too. I’m late twenties and he’s mid thirties.
RavenWhy the need to be friends with this guy?
Sounds like he is moving on… You should let him.
LaneIt sounds like you’re expectations of “friendship” is very different than his, at this point in time. Friendships don’t operate on a straight plane, where you chit chat more often, less often, or don’t talk/spend time for long periods of time based on what’s going on in one or both of your lives. I am so busy with my business that I can easily go looooooooong periods of time without talking to friends or family! If they didn’t reach out to me, it would be longer lol.
It sounds like you are trying to hold onto this friendship too tight, where he’s taking the “out of sight, out of mind” approach so he can get over his romantic feelings for you, and move one with someone else. There are many different levels people transition, especially when it comes to friendship, to lovers OR lovers to friendship. He needs to decrease contact, and take time away from you, before he’s able to transition. I would respect his need to do this by giving him the space/time he needs to properly sort out his feelings. It also gives you time to do the same so you can properly focus on others, instead of him.
To be honest, holding a flame for another is not the time you should be dating. Its really not fair to waste these guys time, and $, when your heart is still blocked by another. You are clearly not over him, and should probably take a ‘time out’ from him, and dating, until you’re heart is fully open for another man to enter.
BThanks for your message. Well we were friends for a while before we dated and we got on really well, and I do miss his company. I suppose there’s part of me that thinks a couple of years down the line we might be in a different place but if by that point he’s a distant memory then it won’t matter even if circumstances change. I don’t think having him in my life would stop me moving on at the moment, and I have stayed friends with past ex’s successfully.
I’m in the area a lot and it would be nice to feel like every few months we could hang out (I don’t mean I want us to be best friends). Immediately after it did feel like we would stay friends, that we both wanted to, and I can’t put my finger on why that didn’t happen so I was wondering if it was just trying to be platonic too quickly.
Maybe you’re right and he’s just decided a clean break would be easier. I just wondered if it was something that was reasonable to follow up once now we’ve had some space, given that there hasn’t been any drama. I was thinking of just saying I was in the area for a few weeks, hoped he was doing ok and wondered if he wanted to get a drink, but I guess I don’t want to look like I’m completely oblivious to what his silence means so I’ll take your advice I guess.
BThanks for your message Lane, I didn’t see it before I posted my last response.
I’ve not been in the area for a month and haven’t really thought about him much during that time, what has made me start thinking about this again is that I’m due to visit again next week and it seemed like a natural time to say hello again if o was going to do that, but I couldn’t decide if that would be really weird.
I know it might be a case of him needing some time which is why I haven’t messaged him for a couple of months now, but because he doesn’t know when I’ll be here or there there’s no natural point for him to check in with me.
I take your point about the new guys but I don’t think that I’m still ‘holding a flame for him’, I wasn’t sure how seriously I felt about him even when we were dating, we were quite early on when it ended and I hadn’t made up my mind.
NewbieI think you should take a closer look to how this guy behaves towards you both pre dating- dating and post dating. I think he behaves weird and off putting in all phases. First he didnt want to date because you were not available like he wanted. Let me tell you, if a man wants a girl he makes it happen. The fact he didnt at first, i dont contribute to you not being all he wants but to him not really wanting serious. Then he does change his mind and you date and gets again: weird. Jealous now and flaky. It doesnt work out. Ok now you ty to be friends. Guess what! He is acting weird. Some People give other people just too much slack. You are way too nice for this guy and for what? Did he trigger your ego somehow on that you want him? Because i dont understand. I would give this guy the fading away treatment.
NewbieAnd to add: if i had kept every weird acting guy as a friend i would have a whole kennel by now. And they would me much
Newbie*cost me too much
BThanks for your message Newbie, that actually made me laugh out loud!
He is a slightly weird guy at times, I found him funny, interesting, very easy to talk to and enjoyable to be around so I overlooked the occasional strange statement but every so often he’d say/do something that seemed quite out of character. Mostly the theme was that he just badly wanted to find the woman he’d be with for the rest of his life as soon as possible (his long term relationship fell apart a year ago and he’s only just started dating again, I think he’s just found himself alone later in life than expected and worrying that he might miss a chance to have a family etc – but he’s only 37).
So he was worried about starting something with me that couldn’t be rushed, then decided after trying to date new people it made more sense to date me (since I was otherwise what he was looking for), than other people who were maybe looking to settle down more quickly but weren’t really what he wanted so probably wouldn’t last long term anyway. The break up was for similar reasons.
I guess the whole thing did just feel really sad, I felt really sorry for him and a bit for me, staying in touch in the beginning made me feel a lot less like the whole thing had been a complete waste of time and emotion. Plus I genuinely do like his company and I thought if we were friends I could enjoy the good bits without the bad.
LaneAt this point I would just leave him be until he’s ready to reach out, or reconnect. I know how hard it is to miss someone you connect or connected with so well but sometimes you just need to step back, and give them the room/space they need, and they will reach out when their ready.
You’ll have so many more connections over your lifetime even if this one doesn’t pan out :o)
NewbieLol Yeah i got that part already about the guy. And how sad he is and how worried he might not get a family. And then yet if someone offers him friendship (you) he cant even be consistent in that. So ok, now rephrase the whole situation in where you are mid twenties and being gorgious and adventurous. What is the attraction of this guy again and how does he meet your standards in being a consistent friend? O give you a clue: they dont ghost.
Anyway, i would really focus on you. Thats your jobBThanks for your help everyone.
tammyu want to be friends and stay in touch. wid occasional casual meets thrown in.he doesnt seem keen for any of those. i think there is noting much you can do in this situation since hes made no endeavors to keep in touch. think you need to forget about him and give up the idea of hving him in your life as a friend.
ErinNah, not worth all the drama. Like Newbie said, his pre dating, dating and post dating behavior is a big indication that he’s a flaker and a wishy washy man at best.
Just let him be for now, I think this has been too much of a Rollercoaster for both of you.
BThanks.
I figured that if we weren’t dating the emotional ups and downs wouldn’t be a thing, when we met for the last time he did say that he was considering therapy if he still felt so panicked about dating a few months down the line, so I also thought given that he might actually be in a better place anyway. The reason I ignored all the red flags is that I really got the sense he was a nice guy who’d been messed around quite a bit and had just developed some bad behaviour as a result which would probably pass with time.
I suppose what I was really asking is if it was reasonable to check in at this point, since he doesn’t know when I’ll be in the area he doesn’t have the same natural point he could reach out even if he was feeling better about the idea of being friends. Plus he’s an overthinker generally, he will have been able to see I’ve been interacting with other men because the platform we’re on makes that sort of thing quite obvious (if you log in at the wrong time you might see something on your feed even without looking at the others profile), so if he suddenly decided he wanted to talk to me again I think that might put him off. I was thinking we might lose an opportunity to get back to where we were pre dating just because both of us assumed the other wanted to be left alone.
But anyway I take into account all you’ve said, I don’t want to disturb him if he’s trying to work on himself, or make him feel awkward, and though I’ve genuinely taken the time to check my motives, and I really am not just trying to get him back etc. I suppose there is still the potential to get hurt again.
LaneIf you want to check his ’emotional temperature’ I would do a simple check in, such as “hey stranger, wondering how your doing.” to see how he responds. If he’s not in the mood to communicate then let the conversation drop off naturally without giving unnecessary info. such as when you’ll be in town only of he asks or pushing him into doing something with you. If he’s communicative, and makes a plan to meet up only then should you engage, if not, stop, and let it go.
BI thought I’d let you know what happened since I often wonder when I’m reading other people’s posts how things turned out.
I thought about it for a few days and realised if I didn’t reach out I’d keeping thinking about whether I should or shouldn’t every time I was in the area and that probably wouldn’t be good for me. Lane I took your advice and just said hey how have you been? We chatted a bit back and forth, and he was friendly, engaging so I said I was in the area if he felt like getting a drink. He said he would really like to eventually and to try and be friends but he’d been seeing someone for a couple of weeks and didn’t think it would be fair to her so early on. I wished him luck and deleted his number.
I think it was a good thing for me to hear (though I felt a bit weird at first), it was a confusing, messed up ending and I hadn’t got much closure, the staying friends idea made it easier to accept without trying to unravel what exactly had happened but as time went by I think the expectation we might hang out again stopped me forgetting about him entirely (though it was enough that I could start to be interested in other people).
I just wanted to say that incase someone finds themselves in the same situation, I do think it was a good thing for me to draw a line under it, but if the same thing had happened a month ago before I’d started to move on I think I would have been really miserable.
NewbieThanks for the update. I also wonder how things turn out a lot. I think not good in the majority of cases if you have to post here. I do think its good for you to hear he wasnt sad and bruised and anything but just dating someone else. Thats how it goes, and also why offering friendship early doesnt work out most of the times. Anyway this guy is fine so no need to Florence friendnightingale him any longer. You were too vibrant and doing well for him anyway. Good luck
ErinI think things wrapped up in quite a comprehensive way,maybe not what you hoped for but in retrospect it’s the perfect closure..
Wish all the best ❤️❤️tammythanx for the update. the fact that he decided to not meet clearly shows that he doesn’t think of you as just a friend. if he did and had no feelings for you he wld have met you casually as a friend who’s visited his area. either which way, he wants to give this new thing a chance and doesnt want to complicate his head by meeting you. as i said before, you now have the closure so just move on. :-).
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