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  • #932322 Reply
    Vera

    After a long 9 months of dating, my boyfriend is ready to introduce me to his kids . I admit I was the one who pushed him along to do it sooner but he says he needed the push and he’s very happy to introduce me .

    His daughters bday is coming up . She is turning 10 about a few days after I’m supposed to meet her for the first time.

    I will not be seeing her on the day of her bday .
    Boyfriend said it would make him happy if I get her a gift
    which he could give her on her bday and say it’s from me.
    I didn’t like this at all. I feel it’s weird to get a gift when I just met her and I won’t even see her on her actual bday .

    Thoughts ?

    #932324 Reply
    Rox

    No, I don’t think it’s weird to buy a young girl a birthday gift. He is trying to make sure things go smooth for the introduction.
    If you are worried about what kind of gift. It can be something you made, something tactile, baked goods, etc

    #932326 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    It’s not weird at all. I think it’s nice. Your boyfriend is being smart.

    Before my bf introduced me to his son, he would mention me in a positive way (talk about something fun we did, etc). On several occasions I gave him small token treats to give his son from me (a donut, cookie, etc). The final gift was a small birthday gift– he gave his son the gift, and I met him right after. His son was several years younger than your boyfriend’s child, but it prepped him to meet me in a positive way- when we finally met he was really excited and happy.

    Your situation isn’t quite the same, but the end goal should be. You want to lay the groundwork for a good relationship and have the child think of you in a positive way. I think having her receive a birthday gift from you (even if you’re not physically there) several days after you meet, is a great way of making her feel special, and will give her a positive impression of you.

    #932338 Reply
    Vera

    Thanks for your replies!

    #932363 Reply
    tammy

    Ask your bf what his daughter likes. Then get something based on her likes. all hes doing is giving you a head-sup for a positive future friendship with his young daughter. not sure why your reluctant to give the little girl a birthday gift.

    #932911 Reply
    Vera

    OP here – Hello again,
    I’ve now had a few outings with the kids now and things went fine. I did end up getting a gift for the girl which was the right decision.

    I am having a few difficulties otherwise , specifically , I just feel kind of helpless when it comes to this integration. My boyfriend doesn’t really voluntarily talk much about future plans but usually just says vague things like “eventually you’ll be able to come over whenever “.
    His mom is helping take care of the kids whenever he has them and unfortunately she doesn’t want to have anything to do with me , including meeting me.
    It makes me sad and It’s been hard enough the last 10 months not really feeling like I’m fully in the relationship (not really seeing him on days and the alternating weekends he has his kids).
    So now I realized this week that I won’t even be able to step foot in the house as long as his mom is not ok with meeting me . He says he’s hopeful maybe eventually she will agree to being in the same house as me .
    This vague talk makes me anxious and I feel like I’m not in control of the situation at all.
    Just for a bit of background , when the kids aren’t there , it’s like I live in his house . We spend all our time together and cook together etc . Then when alternate weekends come I feel I am banished and it just feels to me I’m not in a full relationship. The hope I had was once I meet the kids it’ll be easier but now I almost see no end in sight with his mom being this way.
    Then I feel like when I mention these things I’m being pushy . He says I’m trying to move things along too fast but I feel like I just need some concrete plans or to see what he even wants , so that I know the time I’m spending is even worth all this .
    Any advice ?

    #932913 Reply
    Tallspicy

    Him not managing his mother is a big issue. If he waits On her, he will wait forever. Do not be with a man who chooses his mother over you, especially after 6 months.

    #932915 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    Why does his mother have such a problem with you? You’ve never even met her. What happened?

    I agree with Tallspicy that your bf needs to manage his mother. If he wants a serious relationship with you, he needs to stand up to her…not just make excuses and put it off, but actually do it.

    #932916 Reply
    Vera

    Thank you thank you so much for your replies ! I have been in such distress it is causing fights with my bf and I feel I can’t even be my best happiest self around him most days anymore .

    He says this is his personality . In his words “if she had her way, she would live with him forever and I would not have a gf”
    He keeps saying he will stand up to her but doesn’t follow through .
    She doesn’t know me but it doesn’t matter. She would dislike anyone he’s with. For the record she also disliked his ex wife but luckily for the ex wife , the mom was living far away at the time (also interestingly he told me the ex wife didn’t want his mom around a lot so she only visited 2 weeks a year).

    He is dependent on his mom to help care for his kids (7 and 10) and he says he’s afraid that even if I go over for 30 mins to play with the kids , she may get upset and leave for the whole weekend . He says this may traumatize the kids . Which to be honest is , in my opinion, a complete exaggeration. Also, in my opinion, it isn’t my fault ? It’s on her if she leaves no?

    #932917 Reply
    Vera

    * HER personality

    #932921 Reply
    Gaia

    How old is this man that he is allowing his mother to dictate whether the woman he is dating/ sees a future with can’t be in his house?

    Do you think he is using her as an excuse or do you think she really is saying she doesn’t want to meet you?

    My personal advice… stop staying over period. Start going back to your single-ish life that you have every other weekend. I’m betting you are doing a lot of ‘wife-y’ things and acting like a happy family on the weekends you are there. He hasn’t earned it if he can’t bring you around his mother after 9+ months of dating. Stop acting like a wife if you aren’t one. Stop acting like a girlfriend when you aren’t being treated like one.

    #932923 Reply
    Vera

    OP here again.

    Gaia – he is much older than I am that’s for sure . Early 50s believe it or not ! I’m in my 30s.
    Sometimes I do wonder how much of it is him or his mom . Maybe he makes her seem worse than she is.
    He also kept delaying me meeting the kids because he kept saying he’s scared of how the kids will handle it … even though we went to counseling to prepare us and talked to his friends in similar situation (all of them urged him to just tell his kids about me already!… but he kept me waiting and waiting and waiting
    He made up all these doom and gloom scenarios but in reality the kids were totally fine !

    So now I see this pattern repeating and I’m
    Just so fed up! Like when will I finally feel like I’m in a true relationship ?

    I’ve thought about just not sleeping over there . I know he will not Handle it well at all! I am certainly “playing house” and it doesn’t feel right .
    He says if we stop sleeping over the relationship will erode. But maybe it’s time I put my foot down.
    If I do this , what do I tell him ? Do I tell him why I’m doing it?

    Thanks so much

    #932924 Reply
    Gaia

    He’s in his 50s and he is still like this? That, in my opinion, is a red flag. How long ago was the divorce? Something seems weird to me and I feel he is using the mom and kids as an excuse not to move forward with you. Again that is my personal opinion from reading this.

    Here are my questions to you:
    Why would you want to stay in a relationship where you don’t feel it is one?
    Does he not think progressing in the relationship would also cause erosion? His wording sounds like gaslighting… i.e. if you don’t do keep staying over on my terms, you won’t see me anymore. Why would you want to be with a man who does that?

    What is this man doing to invest in you? I’d let him go. He’s busy raising his kids and still being a momma’s boy at 50+. Sounds like he only has time for you when it is convenient for him.

    #932925 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    Everything Gaia said. Also, let me get this straight- this man’s mother stays with him for the entire weekend when he has his kids? He can’t manage his children on his own over the weekend? Why does his mother need to be there?

    I thought you meant she helped with child care when he was at work, but it sounds like she’s there for the entire weekend when he’s got the kids.

    #932926 Reply
    Vera

    Yes she is there every single Wednesday and every other weekend .
    She also comes in some random days when him and I are at work – I only found this out recently .
    He’s not really capable of doing the single dad thing and seems to need help. She does most of the cooking but also helps care for the kids . She also sleeps over those days .

    She came in the house once and moved around things that belonged to me that I left there . I had no idea she was even coming that day .
    Every time I go over , I need to erase all traces of my existence before the kids and mom come in.
    I was ok with all this but the light I saw at the end of the tunnel (meeting the kids) is now dimmed due to this new obstacle I didn’t really realize would be a thing (his mom)

    Yeah I mean I love him because he truly is very good to me and gives me the love and affection I need. I can be quite “high maintenance” when it comes to guys and he’s willing to go above and beyond . However , I do realize this is a huge issue and I will put myself first if I need to .

    We emailed the counselor looking for another session (we talked to her once about kids introduction).
    But in the meantime I am nearing my wits end

    #932927 Reply
    Gaia

    OH NO NO NO NO NO!
    NO! Did I make that clear?
    He is ERASING all trace of you before his “mom” comes over?
    I don’t believe it’s his mom. Sounds like his wife or other girlfriend. You don’t hide the woman you are seeing unless you have a reason too.

    No, he is obviously not giving you the love and attention you need. Don’t analyze yourself, evaluate him and his compatibility with you. Hiding you from mom, kids and who knows who else would be a deal breaker for me.

    #932928 Reply
    Vera

    Ok thanks so much for your input ! It’s giving me the strength I need and letting me see how things are .

    I should clarify , the traces of me are removed because he didn’t want the kids to know there is someone else going into the house . Now that they’ve met me I thought it would be a smoother transition . But it seems he’s still “scared” of the kids thinking I go over (though they know) or sleep over (and I certainly don’t expect to sleep over with the kids there now as it’s way too early . I just don’t want to feel banished from the house I live in most of the time)

    He’s definitely not lying about having his mom there. I met the kids and I talked to them about grandma being at home etc . He doesn’t have another gf or a wife who comes in. He is cordial with his ex (actually this is another issue – they are separated and lawyers involved with agreements going back and forth and I do believe him when he says he wants the divorce asap. The ex wife knows about me .)

    I think my next step will be taking some more time to myself by not sleeping over as much , starting my “single” life again somewhat . The question I have is , if he asks me why I’m not staying over etc, do I say why?

    #932929 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    Oh wow. There are so, so many red flags here.
    “He’s not really capable of doing the single dad thing and seems to need help. She does most of the cooking but also helps care for the kids. She also sleeps over those days.”
    So in other words, he’s not a functioning adult? He can’t care for his own children by himself? This would be so incredibly unattractive to me. My bf is a single dad, late 40s- he cooks, he cleans, he cares for his son in a very hands-on way when he’s got him for the weekend. And I find it incredibly sexy, I really do.

    “Every time I go over, I need to erase all traces of my existence before the kids and mom come in.” Honestly my jaw almost hit the floor when I read your last post.
    You contradict yourself here, because you say he gives you the love and care you need, and he goes above and beyond….and yet you say “I have been in such distress it is causing fights with my bf and I feel I can’t even be my best happiest self around him most days anymore.” You deserve better. This guy doesn’t sound like relationship material, at all.

    #932930 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    “I do believe him when he says he wants the divorce asap”

    Wait, this guy is not even divorced?!

    #932931 Reply
    Gaia

    The more information we get the worse this sounds for you.

    I’m going to say this with a lot of love and sympathy because I have been in your shoes:
    STOP IT! You are making lame excuses for his unacceptable behavior. He isn’t even single. Get that through your head right now to save you heartache. He will still need to process his divorce once it actually happens and that will be his next excuse. YOU DESERVE BETTER!

    There are so many things I can point out to you but you may need to figure it out for yourself. Please, take some space for you. Don’t worry about what to tell him. In fact, if you must be crystal clear: I’m taking space because you are not divorced, our relationship isn’t progressing, and I’m not going to hide from the people and family in your life anymore.

    After 9 months+ the excuses are wearing thin. Trust me a 7 and 10 year old won’t care if you are an overnight guest or if you leave something behind if he is genuinely serious about you.

    He is using you as a placeholder while figuring out his divorce. YOU DESERVE BETTER!

    #932932 Reply
    Raven

    Full. Stop.

    Sorry Vera, this whole thing is a mess & it starts with You…

    Why are you dating a married man with Mommy issues?!

    #932933 Reply
    Gaia

    What are you really losing if you walk away from this man? Nothing. You’ll be gaining your sanity, less fights and opening up to someone who truly wants you in their life all the time not part-time.

    #932934 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    I remember Vera posting in the past about dating separated but not divorced guys. This has come up a couple of times with you, OP. We always strongly advised you against it and asked you to examine why you seem to be attracted to separated but not divorced guys.

    This is not to attack you, I just wanted to mention that I remember this is a theme with you. But I’m sure you’ve read multiple posts on this forum where women here advise a poster against dating a separated man.

    This is the reason women shouldn’t get involved with guys who are not divorced. They are not mentally in a place to be in a relationship. It doesn’t matter if the guy is separated- he has to go through the divorce process, take some time, and adjust to being single before he can be ready for another serious relationship.

    Your bf is perfect example. He’s a hot mess, can’t take care of his own kids, has major mommy issues and can’t even let his mom or kids know that you come over. And you’ve been together almost a year now, what’s keeping him from filing for divorce?! It honestly sounds to me like Gaia said, you’re a placeholder. You’re compartmentalized, you come over and play house, but he doesn’t actually try to integrate you into his life. So he gets the benefits of having you around when it’s convenient for him, without having to put himself out or make himself uncomfortable (or even file for divorce!)

    #932936 Reply
    Vera

    Thank you all so much . You are helping tremendously
    I don’t mind the tough love AT ALL. Please keep it coming if there’s anything else you want me to know . I promise everything here is helping .
    Just as it did last year in my other relationship .

    I did date someone for 6 months last who was separated . He got a divorce while we were together . That relationship was nothing like this one (that guy only wanted to see me once a week, rarely called etc. This guy is in touch with me all day every day with phone calls, messages – and wants to see me all the time, and tells all his friends and colleagues about me and wants me to meet them ).

    However I am not making excuses .

    To clarify , they have filed for divorce . It’s just the back and forth agreements dealing with financial things. He signed his end in October and she held onto hers for months . Last month I told him to please keep reminding her to return her part . He did this (even in front of me on the phone with her) and she finally returned her side last week with many new requests so now he’s reading and needs to sign and Return.

    Emotionally they’ve been separated for 3 years . Officially she moved out in sept 2020.
    I truly didn’t think him not being divorced was an issue as I see he’s taken steps and actively filed etc.
    But again, I’m not making excuses . Just explaining .

    Also he pursued me like crazy … this is why eventually he won me over . Otherwise I don’t purposely date separated guys. He convinced me by explaining the above that there is zero emotional connection left with her and he’s already Mourned the divorce .

    Anyways , again, not an excuse … as yes the fact he can’t care for his kids alone is extremely concerning. He does have a very demanding job and often works late or weekends , so he uses this as a type of excuse as to why he can’t do it alone .

    #932937 Reply
    Vera

    Also ,
    His mom is fully aware that I come over . She just doesn’t like it I guess.
    He tells me that she will say something to him like “I feel like I’m imposing on your time with your gf” and she often tells him she feels unappreciated .
    Anyways – just some more info to clarify .
    Also kids know I go over now . I’m sure they’ll be fine but he makes everything seem like a potential catastrophe .

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