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Melody
Has anyone ever read this book? I’m doing a trial with Audible so I decided to check it out. I’m just a few chapters in so I can’t give a full analysis but a lot of what it says seems to be the opposite of here. That if things are going really well and a man seems really into you in the beginning but then pulls away and becomes distant once he senses things are actually getting serious is commitment-phobic. They may ditch you after one date, first time having sex or even years down the road. It depends on how long it takes for the panic to set in. Some of them even get married which confuses people but just because a person gets married does not mean they are actually committed to that person. They can have just as much trouble saying “No” to a relationship than they do saying “Yes”. One thing they say is his behavior will be very contradictory and he’ll go back on his word (saying he wants a relationship, marriage, etc. They will make excuses as to why they can’t or it’s not the right time) down the road. He will pursue a lot in the beginning (you may not even be that into him at first) and will be loving and attentive and act like he wants a future with you but once you fall for him or he senses things getting serious or after he’s actually in a relationship, living together, married, has kids with you… his behavior will do a 180. He will usually turn on the charm if you sees you losing interest or if you try to leave. He will beg you not to go but he can very easily just leave one day and may never speak to you again. He may like you but the idea of commitment frightens him so much that his behavior can even become manipulative and for some… abusive. Its not that he’s just taking space while he figures things out. The book says it’s not the woman’s fault but his inability to fully commit to anyone. This site plays it as possibly being a lack of interest but also a man’s nature and that women need to make changes to their behavior like not pushing or nagging. The thing is quite a bit of what this book says are ‘signs’ of commitment-phobia are stated as just regular male behaviors here.
What if your take on this? How much do you think this is accurate vs how much of what this site says is accurate? Do you think they are both accurate in their own way and it depends on the guy? How do you tell the difference between pulling away temporarily to take space before heading into a commitment vs a phobia of commitment? Do you think this site is written by commitmentphobes lol. Jk :p
JoI can only comment on my own experience. My first husband was attentive until we got engaged after 2 years of dating and over a year of living together. Then there was a complete 180. He seemed to have time for everyone in his life but me, started flirting, ignoring me when we went out in groups or to parties. He wouldn’t even acknowledge we had a committed relationship or were engaged, he’d only acknowledge I was his ‘sort of serious’ girlfriend to people we met. I put it down to pre-wedding nerves. I couldn’t believe he’d had a permanent personality transplant. I left after 2 years of marriage finally admitting he wasn’t going to revert to the way he used to be. It was like a switch was flipped when we got engaged.
PhoebeI know there have been times in the past when I’ve been with guys where at first I was happy and my needs were being met, but down the track, when I started to get bored (or take it for granted) I would start to look around for that ‘spark’ – I would become afraid that I was with someone I was really into. It was always when the initial comfort of the relationship (as compared to being single for a long time) wore off. Then I would start to pine for someone I was more compatible with. It is not something that people do on purpose.
NewbieI dont know the book, but if the title says ‘men who cant love’ i assume its about men who cant love and not about men who can commit just fine. So youre fishing in the pool of men who cant love i think there is a high change you will pick a commitment phobe. So in not sure how you find opposite views from the book versus this site. The views on emotionally unavailable men here are pretty much the same as in the book.
These days i think its way harder to find a good man who wants to settle. It all depends on timing i guessMelodyNewbie – The book states pulling away as a bad thing while this site states it as more of a normal thing that guys do before deciding if they want to commit. I’m not far enough into the book to see if it mentions this ‘transition phase’ or if it states pulling away as always bad but that seems to the general consensus right now. Usually when someone says something they will add disclaimer you know? Like “Now not all pulling away means he is scared of commitment”. I’ll see if they talk more about needing space or taking it slow as I listen to it more.
MelodyJo- That sounds awful. I’m sorry about that. There’s nothing you could have done and I hope you don’t blame yourself.
MelodyPhoebe – Yeah I’m sure it’s really not intentional. You may really want love but commitment comes with expectation. The expectation that things will go further. Even if it doesn’t turn out that way the idea of “I could be with this person for the rest of my life” is seriously frightening.I mean I think it’s scary for everyone but this is an actual phobia. They liken it to a feeling of emotional claustrophobia.
MelodyPhoebe – Another thing to mention is that the commitment-phobic will resent their partners and punish them. Maybe not directly. It’s often passive aggressive like ignoring them, disappearing for lengths of time, treating them coldly. Like I said they can have just as much trouble saying no than they do saying yes. They can’t make a mental commitment to anyone but they also can’t say “I want out”. Hence why they often leave without a word or try to get the other person to break up with them so they don’t have to feel responsible. So they may stay in a relationship while not being happy at all. Even though they initially said they wanted a commitment and often times they were the ones that pushed for it they can’t help but become overwhelmed with an intense fear and like they are being trapped. One story in this book accounts a man that had been heavily pursuing a woman. He pulled out all the stops and romantic gestures to woe her. She wasn’t into him at first (which made him push harder). Finally she agreed to go out with him and when she told him she liked him he said he had this panic come over him. This voice (not literally a voice I’m sure…) telling him to run. He never talked to her again.
NewbieI see what you mean. On this site there is mentioning of something called the rubberband theory. Where the guy has to build up a bit of testosteron again and might pull back a little doing that. Also there is a notion a guy when he makes up his mind about a girl he takes some time to decide. Some also disappear on purpose to test if a girl goes bonkers.
Then there is the disappearing because of low interest like you describe. To me it looks like they can all exist. Like there are also tons of different reasons to cry about. I wouldnt take it too literal. In the end its more about finding that good fit and these days that involves weeding through a lot of weirdo’s firstLaneI personally don’t think this is a *guy* thing but a personal human desire to not commit to something long-term. Some people can, some can’t, where they fall out of love almost as quickly as they fall in, IF they fall in love.
Love is fickle. All it does is provide a base foundation but there are many other factors involved that determines if it has staying power or not. Even the most commitment phobic people can find that other person (e.g., soul mate) and commit to them for life. And the opposite can happen too, where a non-commitment phobic person can have trouble sustaining relationships.
I think a lot of this psychobabble and don’t put a whole lot of stock into it. If a man doesn’t want to commit, then why should he? Is there some come of law or rule that say’s a man HAS TO commit to a woman? If they don’t its OK, if they do, its OK too. I personally don’t have the time nor energy wasting it on someone who doesn’t and only spend it with guy’s who do…makes life a whole lot easier.
JoThanks Melody. It was a long time ago and I’ve now been happily married for 17 years.
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