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August 11, 2014 at 11:08 am #358578maria
I’m fine Serena, I hope you’re fine too <3
Harley, I love it that you’re so positive, and yes, inner happiness is key to… everything (good) really.
I totally agree with Christian Carter that we should be real and honest and speak our mind – and that there’s a right and a wrong way to do it – and (IMO) it’s not only important WHAT we say, but HOW we say it too…
Vi, as for the “I was paranoid about not seeming interested”, can’t you just follow/show what you FEEL – if you are really interested – show that, and if you’re not – show that!? And if you don’t like what some rude yoga girl says – TELL her etc. etc. etc.
Perhaps you should just start being real and honest with people and not give a hoot about the consequences!? Do you think you can do that?
August 11, 2014 at 11:13 am #358580SherriLadies, I have a question …. how do you know if you have depression or if you are just generally feeling down??
I was feeling kinda down this weekend. I went ziplining on Friday and had a great time. I was really tired but did not really want to be alone in the evening. The guy I am dating had already made other plans as he thought I was busy. So I hit up some other friends but all of them were busy and I was not interested in going to any meet ups. So spent the evening alone with me, my TV series and my vodka.
On Saturday, again I was feeling kinda down. Was supposed to meet up with a friend but his best friends mother passed away and he had to go to her funeral so our meeting got cancelled. I did go out dancing in the night though (my usual monthly gig) and had a great time. But it did not give me that high spirits as I usually get when dancing.
On Sunday, I kinda got up really late and then spent the day watching TV and then met the guy I am dating for 2 hours at his place watching TV. He was out of town the whole weekend and so had told me that he would be tired and that he wanted to just stay home and have an early night. He told me that I was welcome to join him and I did as I was feeling a bit alone. After the show we were seeing got over, I couldn’t stop myself and just started crying and the thing is that I did not even know why I was crying. I guess I was feeling kinda lonely all weekend and the feelings spilled over or something idk. He did ask me what was wrong and I told him that I did not know and I could see that he was feeling a bit frustrated and helpless about my crying because he couldn’t do anything to fix it.
My parents have been visiting me for the past couple of weeks and last weekend was the 1st time since about a month that I was alone all by myself – no parents & no kids. I don’t know if that was the case or what was. Do you ladies think I have depression or was I just feeling lonely and sorry for myself?
August 11, 2014 at 11:20 am #358582VioletHey Serena <3
I’m in the hairdresser now and typing on phone so please forgive typos, lol.
Re. Changing together. I do believe people can change, but its very rare to hear of couples who broke up, had time apart, and got back together. Its possible, but most of the time couples break up, and sooner or later replace each other. They probably keep changing down the line, but with different people. I think when you meet someone who you can change with – at the same time, then you don’t need to break up. This it’s just a theory btw.
My response to dates: “yeah, definitely!!! Songs great!!!! :)” lol. Funny thing is, when.i answered like this I could tell that a lot of men didn’t believe me, which made me think I needed to be MORE keen. But now I realise that they thought I was being fake. And then other guys probably sensed I was desparate.
Im only okay at the moment tbh. My depression kind of came back a month ago. Ive been feeling low, exhausted, sleeping badly. Its an emotional rollarcoaster as well as I vacillate between deep grief, rage, insecurity and neediness. I think.I’m feeling better now, but its hard to know. The most recent contact with S. really threw me.
When.I’m in these states I feel really broken and I wonder if ill ever be fit to have a relationship. Cos I know that this is a condition I have to live with… Its not going away. I am simply trying to learn to manage it.
August 11, 2014 at 11:47 am #358585HarleySherri.. IDK.. I don’t know enough about depression. maybe your marriage breakdown is finally kicking in ???? How much vodka are you drinking ? More than usual, More regular ? I used to drink too much…. on my own , lonely, coping with kid… then I kicked it, got out, got hobbies. TRY to pull yourself out of it before it gets a hold on you.
VI.. WHY do you think you feel worse in the states ? is it cos you away from home, lonely, or the USA lifestyle gets to you, re couples, dating etc ???
August 11, 2014 at 11:52 am #358586VioletI’m currently in London Harl :)
Maria, the problem with the guys I was actually interested in was that I WAS being honest! I realise now that I’m desperate, and when I said yes to their dates, it was with the weight of that desperation behind me. With guys I like I actually need to play it a bit cooler.
With the ones I wasnt interested in I said yes anyway… wanting to give them a chance… but was so enthusiastic it came across as fake… because it was!
The problem with situations like that yoga girl is that my boundaries are so weak that sometimes I don’t clock that someone’s out of line until after the fact. I’ve become a lot better at measuring my feelings now, but I still miss it sometimes.
August 11, 2014 at 11:53 am #358588VioletOh – I meant “these states of mind”… not “The United States” – lol :D
August 11, 2014 at 11:56 am #358591SherriOh I have not been drinking much at all. I drank 1 glass of vodka on Friday after about 2 weeks. And 2 weeks ago drank bec I was at a bachelorette party and we were all drinking so it wasn’t because I was feeling low. I don’t know if it was that I got used to being around people (parents) and was alone for the 1st time in weeks. The guy and I did not make plans to meet and then of course he was not avbl when I wanted company and none of my friends were avbl too and if all that together got me low. The funny part though I was looking forward to this alone time and then found it weird that I was feeling low rather than enjoying it.
He did message me today morning though to find out how I was doing so I guess I did not give him a panic attack.
I was also wondering if it was the side effect of the birth control pills I have been taking.
Thinking back to my married life though, I always had people around me but always felt alone so I don’t know if I was just feeling that or what was the case.
August 11, 2014 at 12:00 pm #358593HarleyI know you’re in London. I meant WHEN in the states !!! ya daft git. !
I sometimes spot stuff too late. I NOW try to take a step back and decipher what people say.. then react… even if it means going after them and continuing the convo. A LOT of the time, when it’s folk I know i see again.. I think on it overnight and sleep.. DO NOT react straight away. I get my thoughts in order.
Hope the hair looking good !
August 11, 2014 at 12:21 pm #358597SerenaHey Vi, I love going to the hairdresser always makes me happy. :)
Hope it’s nice and relaxing for you.
Thanks for sharing your theory on changing and it too makes sense. I guess it really depends on the people involved.
I think maybe the guys didn’t believe you because you didn’t believe in your own response, bec subconsciously you maybe didn’t want to go out with them and it came across in your voice and the energy you put out there. I have been like you in the sense where I would accept a date even if I wasn’t into it and now I don’t bec I think what’s the point if I’m not into this the person can sense this too. It’s the vibe being emitted.
I do think you’re being to hard on yourself about whether you’re fit to be in a relationship. It’s good that you are recognizing what you want to fix. I’m certainly not an expert and I know how hard it is not to think of someone that you were with, but I do believe you can overcome this. You need to try train your thoughts and not give him too much power. Every time you think of him – take a mental pause and redirect your thoughts. Start picturing the relationship you want and it will help you see it’s not with him. He is not your ‘prince’. Perhaps it’s easier for me bec of the distance I wasn’t with him for the length of time you were and I don’t have to the potential to run into him.
Do you think your depression is down to the contact with S? Or is there something else bothering you?
I think with regard to setting boundaries it can be difficult if it’s something you’ve never done. Like me, but I am doing it now and I can honestly tell you it works you’re overall state of mind changes. You’re happy bec you’re no longer doing something to please someone else. You’re not looking for validation from someone else. The validation is within you and you portray a much more confident person. I know it works bec I’m doing it and people haven’t taken it negatively and the ones that do don’t belong in my life anymore. Once you do it you will feel empowered but you have to want to make that change for yourself and realize that your job isn’t to please people. I think when we think it is our job we become resentful when they don’t respond the way we want.
August 11, 2014 at 12:24 pm #358599SerenaAnd/or we take it so personally like there is something wrong with us and that does come from insecurity or a lack of loving ourselves and being comfortable in our own skin.
Hope I didn’t ramble too much. :$
August 11, 2014 at 12:46 pm #358606mariaVi, next time you meet a guy you’re attracted to will you do it all differently? Will you not act desperately? And next time you’re in a rude yoga girl situation, will you tell her off?
August 11, 2014 at 1:02 pm #358613SerenaSorry Vi I totally misread I didn’t respond to the part about the guys you’re interested in. I’m curious about this too…
Maria, how can Vi do this differently how can you reply without sounding desperate or insecure? Especially if you are attracted and interested?
Also, Vi are these responses by phone or face-to-face?
August 11, 2014 at 1:46 pm #358628VioletIt’s pretty easy not to act desperate – I just need to be more subdued and a bit more coy when I say yes.
Maria, the men responses will be easy to change now that I’m aware of where I was going wrong. In my blindness I kept making the same mistake – being too enthusiastic. And I could sense the guys didn’t buy it, which made me act MORE enthusiastic… which was counter productive for the ones I really wanted to date, lol :) Oh well – plenty more to experiment with.
With the yoga girl situation… I realise now that I have to be quite vigilant of when people are crossing those lines with me. I try to be vulnerable with everyone I meet, and it’s finally hit home with me that I should not be vulnerable with people unless they earn that trust. I know you’ll understand what I mean when I say this – but I feel that I’ve been walking around “naked” energetically. My energy field has been totally open… And I wondered why I got so exhausted all the time! I realised now what it means to provect yourself energetically… I need to wear that cloak and armour that many people automatically have. Especially in a place like London, which is quite hostile on the surface.
Serena, weirdly, I don’t even want S. back. I think what makes me so upset is when I think about how much I loved him. I never felt that depth or intensity for anyone before… and it makes me sad. I’m not sure why. Maybe because he rejected that love. Maybe because I threw it away. Maybe because it absolutely devastated me, and I’m still not seeing any positive consequences of it yet. I am in my life in general – but not in my love life.
The depression is a life long condition. I actually thought I had overcome it, but I relapsed in the last month, and after 10 years of battling it, I’m finally accepting that this is a condition I’m going to have to live with, and if I ever want to have a partner who accepts me for who I am, I need to learn to accept this condition and find someone who can handle me getting like this.
I think I’ve been afraid to get close to someone because when I’m in those states I’m extremely fragile and needy, and being rejected at those low points is very detrimental to me. I cry hysterically and think about suicide. My ex LTR couldn’t cope with it. So I was afraid to get into another relationship until I was fixed. But now I’m starting to realise that I might never be fixed… and instead, I need to find someone who can love all of me. There’s a lot of good… but the bad is scary.
August 11, 2014 at 2:15 pm #358635HarleyHi Vi.. maybe you need different meds to manage depression.. And yes.. I Do think there are guys out there to help you manage it and be a support. I DO think you are beating yourself up a bit too much. NONE of us are completely “right/fixed/working 100%”.
Sherri.. you are ok. just on a downer/ bad day. Keep yourself busy, get out and about. Pamper yourself with some “me ” time.
Maria/Serena.. HELLO !
August 11, 2014 at 2:37 pm #358644mariaIn most cases depression is due to a chemical imbalance in the brain or/and a hormonal imbalance. It can be treated in many ways, and doesn’t have to be a life long condition at all…
I know you’re interested in this kind of stuff Vi. Have you done some proper research in the area?
August 11, 2014 at 4:35 pm #358670VioletThanks Harl :)
Maria, yup. I researched it very thoroughly and got all my bloods tested. I discovered that I had a severe hormonal imbalance, went on topical progesterone, and it changed my life. I had a year of being depression-free. I still got exhausted every month around my period, but it was manageable. My insomnia vanished, and lots of other things righted themselves.
But since coming back from America last month… I haven’t felt right. My insomnia came back, and then my mood started to dip. In the last two weeks I’ve had a few really bad days… enough to make me realise that I’m depressed again for the first time in a year (I was obviously suffering a lot when I broke up with S, but that was situational. There’s no reason for me to feel down right now).
I thought the depression was gone for good… but now I accept that it’s something I have to live with. My only thought is that I’m currently doing A LOT of yoga, and it’s possibly pushing old stuff up to the surface. I’m going to get acupuncture done on Friday…
So yes, I’m very proactive :)
Maria, Serena, hope you don’t mind me asking, but what age group are you ladies in? I realised earlier that I have no idea. I’m 32.
August 12, 2014 at 2:12 am #358714mariaVi, what about the brain imbalances?
If your levels of melatonin, serotonin, noradrenaline and dopamine are off, it often leads to mood problems, depression and insomnia.
Essential fatty acids are also extremely important to the brain…
Gluten/other allergies can cause/worsen depression… as well as thyroid issues…
There are so many causes for depression and soo many treatments that can help… please don’t give up and believe that you have to live with it for the rest of your life…
To answer you question – I’m 26.
August 12, 2014 at 4:56 am #358734VioletHon, I appreciate what you’re saying. My diet is immaculate, and I’ve had my seretonin checked. I could look into getting the other ones checked – that’s a good idea.
But in general… I need to accept it now. I will keep researching and trying new things, but I realise now that I need to accept this condition as part of me. I think NOT ACCEPTING it has been holding me back. I’ve been trying to fix myself for 10 years, and have thought that no one wold love me for who I was until I “got rid” of the depression.
You know we talked about self acceptance. Well, I think this is part of it.
I think part of the reason I started to feel so shit was because I wasn’t talking to anyone about my inner landscape. Online journalling, and sharing on forums have been the two most effective things to help my mental health. I told myself I didn’t need it, but I *accept* (lol) now that I do. I feel soooo much better since starting this thread, so thank you so much <3
And thank you Harley and Serena of course <3
Maria, how do you know so much stuff about mental health? Is it personal interest or do you have a family member who suffers from this condition?
In slightly related news… so sad to hear about Robin Williams :(
August 12, 2014 at 8:12 am #358772mariaNope, no family members suffers from it…
I guess I just have a huge interest in health (in general, not just mental health). I work in the health field (with nutrition) (and I do healing and a little acupuncture as well).
I’ve always been into sports and looking (yup, I’m vain) and feeling good etc, and eating right and taking the right supplements is extremely beneficial for that.
May I ask what “diet” you follow/what kind of food you usually eat? (I’m just curious and totally understand if you don’t wanna talk about it).
And yes, really sad about Robin W…
August 12, 2014 at 9:11 am #358776SerenaHey Harl…
Hello Vi and Maria…
Vi – Thanks for sharing more about your depression. I’m afraid I cannot not offer any advice regarding, my knowledge is quite limited with this topic.
One thing I will say about you though perhaps unrelated to the condition but moreso about you as a person is that you’re a lot stronger than you give yourself credit for. I re-read the thread, I felt I was missing something about what you were saying. In reading, I discovered you’re actually are a very strong woman you assess yourself and can effect change in your life. I think that’s fantastic and some people moan and complain but don’t actually do anything about anything. I know this is not necessarily helpful, but in some regard I don’t think you need help per se perhaps some encouragement to know you’re awesome. :) I don’t think you should allow your ‘condition’ to limit your life. As said, I don’t know too much about it but I do know there are ways to help. Btw…37.
Maria I’d love to hear more about your diet and nutrition – I’m going through a bit of a hard time in that I’m trying to lose some weight and it’s difficult – I’m losing but it’s not has fast as I want or hoped. I don’t want to put to much on here but am curious about what you do to keep in shape and how you eat if you don’t mind.
R.I.P Robin, Nannu Nannu.
August 12, 2014 at 9:18 am #358778HarleyHi all.. I know nothing about anything .. except DRINK.. being Irish so, I can’t contribute much here except to say Vi.. Serena is dead right. YOU ARE a lot stronger than you think.
August 12, 2014 at 10:33 am #358807SherriHi Ladies, just got dumped via text …. wow!! What a start to the morning!!
August 12, 2014 at 10:35 am #358808SerenaSherri – I’m sorry to hear that, what happened? Is this the new dude you were dating?
August 12, 2014 at 10:35 am #358809SerenaAre you alright?
August 12, 2014 at 10:41 am #358813HarleyHa ! she has a new date already ! But yes.. she’s a tad( bit)offf kilter.
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