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Andrea, I disagree and will explain why.
When I was dating my now ex husband he was on the tail end of a divorce and got hit with some debts (too long of a story). We had only been “exclusive” for two months and told me he wanted that chapter of his completely OVER so was going to be broke for two to three months and couldn’t afford to do much with me during this period. I was understanding whereas I’m not materialistic anyway so we were able to do most things free (darts, pool, softball, hanging with friends, local sightseeing, etc.) that didn’t cost much. Although I didn’t front him money directly, I did “pick up the tab” for some of it such as buying some food for him to grill us, some drinks at the club…small things like that which over two months didn’t amount to more than maybe $200.
When he cleared up all those debts he secretly planned a date at a swanky restaurant in a cave (we were in the military station in Sicily at the time) and presented me with a 24K gold tennis bracelet saying how much he APPRECIATED me sticking by him during this rough period. All I’m saying is that its OK to do things for your man when he’s in the thick of something and if they really love you, will pay you back threefold if you can ride it out. Again, need to strike the right balance—not too much or they feel like less of a man but just enough for him to know you will stick by him when you hit a bump in the road called life.
They need to communicate and come up with “a plan” of how long he expects this problem to last because he can’t expect her to remain in limbo. Over stressing about something you have no control is not helpful which is why its best to allow some extra space for now and keep busy doing your own thing so you don’t let it affect you personally.
MistralI agree with what Lane said here and I’ll add one more thing.
If you go and decide to date another guy while this one is dealing with some life issues, that’s your choice, HOWEVER, I hope you understand that when you decide the other guy isn’t right for you and this one comes back because he has now taken care of whatever issue he asked you to wait for him for, you best be prepared for him to DUMP YOU LIKE A HOT COAL because you acted like an immature little girl and threw the baby out with the bathwater!
Don’t do this to yourself. Listen to Lane’s suggestions and follow those. DO NOT GO OUT LOOKING FOR OTHER MEN TO DATE!!!! BIGGEST MISTAKE OF YOUR LIFE IF YOU DO.
AndreaLane, I cannot argue with you on this because my fiancé quickly committed to me one month after we met and I agreed to stopping seeing the other 2 men I was dating at the same time, however, I made this decision because he showed me in every area that he has committed to me. Not only he gave me financial support, he texted and called me everyday. He’s busy with his own business and he did go through hard time too, but even then, I would here from him everyday either by text or phone calls. We’ve been together 10 months now, it only happened 3 times that I didn’t he’s from him for longer than 1 day, maximum 2 days, and that was because I gave him hard time, acted emotionally when he’s been through difficulties. And he always, always made time for me no matter how busy he was. If a woman has to constantly worry why a man hadn’t been in touch, and she couldn’t see him when she wants (once or twice may be fine, but constantly? ) he isn’t committed to her yet, and under such situation, she should not close down other options.
AlexisSo to update everyone…
You all are amazing to me at how accurate you are in your advice :)
I didn’t want to play the waiting game and stress over this so I just
texted him yesterday. We got together last night and I had somewhat of
a “talk” with him regarding what’s been going on. He actually used the
exact words you all have used – he’s been in a mood regarding his finances
and just needs to be “a man” and do his thing. It has no reflection on
me/us. He also told me he’s developed feelings for me that he had not
expected, and since we had an understanding of where this was going (age
difference and goal differences) he was working things out.Thanks again for the advice and letting me vent – you all are an amazing group, one
that I plan on going to for advice :) Wish I knew about this forum when I
actually started dating a few years back – would have saved me a bunch of
heartache! Now to work on being independently happy :)MistralAwesome to hear Alexi! Now, read up on articles on self love and unconditional love within a relationship. Those articles will help a lot.
A couple of sites I’d recommend are Your Tango and Madame Noire. I found good articles there. Also look at websites that are male oriented…those will help too.
AlexisHi girls,
Just a bit of an update. I thought last weekend turned out to be amazing – lots of reassurances and a very loving weekend. Now we’re back to square one. I’m getting close to just saying forget it. His not communicating is driving me crazy. This was his day off and I haven’t heard from him since Wednesday – when I initiated the text and then he called. We have no plans, once again, for the weekend. I initiated last weekend to have our talk. I left there feeling very confident and happy and now I’m back to feeling as if he’s completely pulled away. He indicated he can’t believe how it’s the same every time we’re together – absolutely fun, amazing, and that he never wants me out of his life, even if we’re not together romantically. I make him happy and he can’t get enough of me. Are these just words??? HIs actions when we’re together indicate he’s serious, but am I blinded by my feelings for him? We literally spend all night talking and laughing.
There’s a bit more to this relationship that I hadn’t thought of before and not sure if it even applies here. When we first started seeing each other three months ago, we had agreed it would just be a fun, monogamous relationship. He told me if he ever started feeling jealous or have feelings he would pull away. We never had any issue. Now his job has failed him and he admitted, albeit after being out with his friends and having a few drinks, that he has developed feelings for me, yet his actions don’t show it. Don’t have a clue if that has anything to do with how he’s acting now. How many talks do I have to have and do I need to just completely back away from him and have no contact to see if he comes back? When I completely ignored him last weekend, he texted me he missed me. It’s all very confusing and very frustrating.
LaneHi again Alexis!
Throwing this out there but do you think its possible you’re over romantasizing the situation? I think Hollywood has created and unrealistic vision of what relationships look like and when it doesn’t compare you start feeling like somethings missing when in fact nothing is—its two people engage in a world that’s not always neatly wrapped up and perfect.
I just went through this with mine. I’m working on a big project that is consuming an enormous amount of my time and energy and he went all needy on me. Happened on the last one too but he wasn’t as bad as he was working as well but due to an injury has too much time on his hands now and I don’t have enough. I honestly could not handle both so I had to cut him loose. If only he could have been a bit more patient and understanding of what I was going through and waited it out for a couple months until things smoothed out a bit we might have survived it but I wasn’t willing to risk a substantial amount of money just to placate a man.
I understand where your coming from but you also have to understand where he’s coming from too. Don’t you have other things you can do to fill up your calendar instead of relying on him for it? All I’m saying is if your unhappy then end it, but if you can be a bit more patient and wait it out until he fixes his issue/problem, they will usually pay you back three-fold and devote their attention on you…until the next one arrives :-P
Pamella@Alexis, you may be pushing this man away with you being so needy. do you have to hear from him every day or be with him every weekend? Maybe he is feeling this neediness vibe from you, and feels like he is responsible to keep you happy at all times.
I read through some of your posts last weekend and get a feeling that your expectations from this guy seems a bit unrealistic. Three months is not that long, you should still be in the “getting to know you stage” He seems to care about you, and when things are going better for him he may just be in a better head-space to be a better boyfriend.
AndreaHe is blowing hot and cold, a very obvious sign that he is not that into you. When you are not his girlfriend, you should not act like one waiting for him patiently. My fiancé is dealing with lots of business issues too and I haven’t seen him for 3 weeks. But I don’t have the frustration feeling because he would call or text me everyday, and he let me know clearly this is the last weekend he needs to work, next week he will take me for a trip, and he express his appreciation for my patience . Only when a man is committed to you, will he appreciate your patience to wait around, otherwise he could think you were so desperate and wonder why you had to wait, or even worse, initiated plan to meet him. Do not stop dating other man before he commits, you get a loving partner through choosing, not through chasing.
AlexisPamela/Lane
We started out the relationship as something fun…I didn’t have expectations due to the age difference/goal difference – I have my kids, don’t want more. He changed it by calling/texting every single day for two and a half months. We once spent six hours texting back and forth and he indicated he feels like he’s known me for 20 years, that he’s unbelievably comfortable with me. I never asked him to text me or call me continuously, ever. I’ve kept it to myself so has not to put pressure on him. He has dropped the “L” word and told me last weekend he’s developed feelings. He was in a couple relationships before me and said they were basically “hookups” since he was working some issues out that he was very honest with me about. I accepted that about him. I asked him what was different about this relationship and he said me, that he wants it, he doesn’t want me to be out of his life, to promise him I won’t cut him out. This has all come from him – and then boom – hardly any contact in these past two weeks. I’ve sent him a positive text – “hope you have a great day – thinking about you” and that’s it. I did that Wed and he called me. Since then, nothing.
So my issue, I guess, is why all this gung-ho contact, how he loves being with me, it’s always so much fun, and then he disappears. I guess I’m not sure how long I continue with trying to be understanding and not become a doormat either. He does have some major issues from his past he’s dealing with and it’s a bit of a burden on our getting together. I’ve always accepted that, but then I’ve read on here if they want to be with you, they’ll make the time. So there’s some confusion as to all this. That’s all.
Pamella@Alexis, Men will call, text, tell you nice sweet words, wine and dine you and then boom, out of the blue they change. I know that behavior can be hurtful, rude and disrespectful, but it happens.
If I read correctly, you have only been seeing this man for three months or so, that is not long enough to really know someone. It’s not like you have a long term relationship then this happened, even then you have no choice but to accept what it is and live your own life. You are not his girlfriend, so until you are in a committed relationship you really are not in a position to be overly invested in someone who is not as invested in you.
I learned this the hard way and I am speaking from experience. When I finally decided to let go of the fantasy I had in my own mind, I was able to see I was more interested in the potential of a relationship with this man, but in reality he had too may issues/baggage to ever be where I wanted him to be.
You mentioned a age difference, you did not say how big of a gap it is, who knows, but maybe that is a factor for him. You are clearly in two different phases of life and maybe he sees this and it is an issue for him.
Men are very realistic in their thinking when it comes to settling down with a woman, women on the other hand are more idealistic and are driven by their emotions.
As much as he may care about you, he may not want the same things you seem to want. Of course he does not want you out of his life,but he may only want you on his terms. You can either settle for what you have right now, or just let him go before your heart gets broken
AlexisAbout six weeks ago, I did let him know I was moving on, that I was unsure where we were going, that the age difference (13 years) bothered me, and he was having none of it. He even brought it up again this past weekend and asked me why I would just walk away from him, he didn’t like it, and please don’t do it again. He made me promise him – there was a LOT of discussion this weekend on this – he brought it up, not me – so that’s where I’m coming from. I lay back and let him be, even though it bothers me. I vent here and try to get a different perspective since my GFs are all negative about men and relationships. I’m just trying to figure it out and have a positive frame of mind before I do something I may regret, I guess. This is all new to me…I very rarely find someone I connect with on this level.
soniwhat you are saying alexis is what I went through some time back. my guy was 12 years younger. initially it started out as fun and lot of sex and lot of talking. he couldn’t have enough and neither I. things were so much that we became exclusive without even discussing. but then all the troubles started. I was settled in my work whereas he was trying to find his way around. one thing led to another and finally things got pretty toxic. we broke off many times and got back together. I gues smwhere I alwys felt a little insecure bec I was 12 yrs older and he bec he earned far less than me. I just wasn’t equipped mentally to handle thngs with a younger guy and I had really no1 to turn to for advice.
I really think u need to give him lot of space and focus on other stuff as well. don’t rush it. that’s the key. try not investing all your emotions in just this one thing. please ensure that u get active again in ur social life. treat him as a friend more than as a bf. keep things light and breezy. I think if he has to come to u, or if things have to work at all, then you cant be pursuing him. or waiting and feeling sad and rejected every weekend if u guys don’t meet.. your mindset sounds exactly like mine when I was dating the younger guy.
SensyAlexis, since only dating three months, my advice would be to simply completely back off. It sounds like you are needing assurances due to him pulling away, and although he is giving them to you verbally, the situation is what it is. Go about your life and if he comes back around (when things are less stressful), then slowly date him and make him earn you. Also, my suggestion is not to be texting a guy and reaching out so early.
AlexisSoni,
You hit the nail right on the head…that is exactly the kind of situation I’m in. Although I am super busy with work, kids, friends, I’m never home pining away. I have a very busy career and three kids still at home.
The relationship has been monogamous, and like you, when we’re together, there’s no doubt about the attraction, etc. He’s many times joked around about how we get along so well, we should get married, but we both know it’s not going there. What did you mean when you said it got toxic? We never ever fight and every conversation I keep light and positive and just keep it fun, just as this site says. I am leaving the texting up to him, as suggested, but last week he called and made the comment “you’ve been so busy, you don’t have time for me anymore” yet he’s the one backing off. I am backing off big time, but like I said, don’t want to be a doormat either. He’s emphasized just because he doesn’t text every day anymore doesn’t mean anything – that he still wants this. But my insecurities from my past relationships come through and I’m trying to take a new direction in how I react – that’s why this site is great and all your suggestions are so helpful!
LaneHi Alexis.
Get off the texting mindset. Men do not text to connect, they text “to do” or “get something done” so if he’s not doing or getting something done then they don’t see a reason to text. Men are “action oriented” and when dating their texts are based on two factors; 1) check-in to make sure you don’t forget about him; and 2) planning/scheduling a time to do something.
Men also need more space than woman do so its not abnormal for them to go a few days without checking in because if they do it oo much then you would be complaining about that lol. Interestingly I’m the one who needs “more space” in relationships so I have no issue going DAYS without any communication because they can become super boring and mundane if there’s nothing new to talk about which is why I prefer to leave the BULK of the communication when we are together. Men “connect” by spending time with you, not through texts or phone calls—its the QUALITY of time not the quantity that matters.
He’s going to need more space because he’s sorting out his feelings for you. You should not be investing more than him need a couple more months until you can know for certain if its actually love or infatuation. If he stays that long and continues to profess his feelings then its love, if not, its the other.
AlexisLane-
I love your advice…it’s very confident! Question:
Why texts/calls for hours for two months to nothing?
I know they need space, but isnt that a drastic change?LaneHi Alexis.
Its the shift that takes place when the feelings are put on the table and are feeling more more safe and secure with you…its not always a negative but can be very positive if your progressing. Remember, a man shouldn’t be the center of your world but A BONUS to an already happy, fulfilling and satisfying life :-)
soniWe were in reg touch and then suddenly texts started dwindling. meetings got reduced to not every weekend. and I went thru exactly what u going thru. I made the mistake of getting needy and clingy and demanding answers I gues. a big chunk I have to admit could be the age gap insecurity. slowly the distance got vast. and I guess I dint know how to narrow it.
being pushy or demanding answers doesn’t work. I learnt from my experience. the affair got all consuming and just took over all my objectivity and rationale. also the fact that he never introduced me to his friends as his gf just got me more insecure. the last straw was possibly on his b’day when we met late nite after work for dinner in town and to stay over at a nice resort. we got into a screaming fight at 1.30 am in the middle of the street. I guess both reached our respective breakpoint. he left me alone and walked away. I wll never forget that night. I was left holding an overnight bag, a cake, wine which I bought for him, his gift and crying all alone at night in the middle of the street. sigh. it took a lot of time for me to recover from that.
I don’t want any1 to ever go through that. anywys that’s water under the bridge now. u need to ensure u maintain some emotional distance and lot of objectivity. And let him increase the frequency of his connects on his own without any prompt from u. u have already voiced ur concern. now let him be. if he doesn’t do that just let it be. I know how u feel. its difficult to reconcile when every day contacts dwindle down to occasional connects. try to take ur mind off ur relationship and focus on other stuff.
PamellaIt’s a horrible feeling when in the beginning they call and text multiple times a day then it comes to a gradual halt, I have had that same experience. Mine called and text-ed me consistently without fail for three years,and then out of the blue, he started to do it less and less. The mistake I made was to ask him what happened, and why he was all of a sudden so busy that he would not call as often as he used to. Well he blew up on me, did not quite explain why the sudden change, but let me just say, he was very resentful of me questioning him.
I totally backed off to the point I was no longer available to him. Of course he started blowing up my phone,and would leave several messages a day which I ignored completely,or waited until I was good and ready to return his call. This started October of this year, and things have not been the same since then between us, however we are still hanging on for some reason.
A man will withdraw for a variety of reasons, only he knows, I would not listen too much to what he says, watch his actions I think that’s where you will see the truth.
I hope things will work out for you. Three months is not a long time to have built much of a bond, but in the end only both of you can make this work, not just you.
sonipamella I can resonate with what u say..
AlexisSo a new twist…one of my best friends asked me to go with her to a bar/restaurant to watch the hockey game. It just so happened to be the one I met him at originally. I got there and instantaneously I got a message on Messenger about am I watching the game at home. My friend and I think he tracks me with his Facebook app since he’s made comments to me in the past about where I’m located. I told him where I was and kept it very very short. He never asked to come see me and I was literally five minutes from his house. I did call him regarding other places in the area and ended up cutting our conversation short b/c I became aggravated with his responses, but now today, I realize it was just my frustration with how he has been ignorning me and not him. I did leave him a text if we can talk at some point today, but I’m unsure how to start our conversation and what to say. Suggestions? Help!
AlexisI don’t want to bring up the not texting me, but I’m thinking just to let him know I feel bad about practically hanging up on him. My friend told me to just completely cut him off and not talk to him at all. I think that’s petty, but I do think I need clarification as to where we are at this point.
Soni, we’ve never ever had a fight. It’s always been a fun relationship up until about three weeks ago. I feel after three months, I know you all don’t think it’s that long, but we have a little more than just a friendship at this point and I need to know where we’re going. Is that too much to ask?
AndreaYou are taking things to the downhill now. It’s not the right time to talk. You have never had a fight but he’s withdrawing, that means he’s not sure about you, and you can’t push him to be in a relationship with you at this point. It’s not about 3 months isn’t long enough, my fiancé wanted to marry me 2 months after we met. A man will do all the work once he starts falling in love. The problem is you can’t make a man love you if he doesn’t, can’t talk him into it, can’t force him, can’t beg him, there is nothing you can do on his side. The more you reach out, the less he is interested. Before you are in a solid relationship, never ask for his attention and time, whatever you do not get from one person, find it somewhere else. You don’t need to cut him off, just put him in competition with other men and see what will happen.
AlexisSo I guess all the “I have feelings for you” and “I love you” must not have been genuine?
He called me this morning, and I apologized for being short on the phone with him. He said I sounded stressed and wanted to know what’s wrong. I didn’t say a word about the withdrawing and not calling, but I did let him know I was not a hookup girl and that I was beginning to feel as if this relationship was getting into hookup status and that’s not what I’m looking for. He basically said he doesn’t want me to cut him out of his life, that he wants me in his life forever, and if I just wanted to meet as friends, he could do that as long as it meant I was still in his life. He said he felt that we were looking at it two different ways, which I took to mean it’s not a hookup in his eyes.
I did say from day one if I started to develop more feelings I would walk away since I knew this relationship was not going in a permanent direction. I told him that I do have feelings, especially since he told me last week he did too, but he never addressed it with me directly this morning as he did last week.I don’t feel I’m pushing him into something permanent – just want clarification that I’m not a doormat, in so many words, which I feel I clarified…but we’ve decided to keep what we’ve got and I will take all your advice to heart and move on from here. Thanks again everyone! You guys are awesome. I will get this dating thing down, I have confidence in myself!! :)
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