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  • #436200 Reply
    Lenore

    Ya know Greenie, your story is your story. Just as Alexis’ story is her story. No two stories are the same and just because it worked out for you that way, doesn’t mean it will work out for her the same. You never really know with these things. Relationships and situations are definitely not a “One size fits all”.

    Yes, wisdom says, “Learn from others’ mistakes as life is too short to make them all yourself”…there are just some things people MUST learn on their own. Had you told me what you told her back while I was with my guy, I would not have listened. I still would have proceeded with the relationship. I’m the type that I have to learn lessons on my own, especially when my heart is involved. No amount of warning will do me any good.

    Even now, knowing what I know, if he were to come back to me…I would consider it in a heartbeat (the heart wants what the heart wants). Now conversations will need to be had and things clarified, but if he played his cards right, I would give him another chance. I don’t care what anybody has to say about it.

    Alexis-please keep us posted, I’m really interested to see how this plays out…my feeling is it’s going to be a while before you see any changes (if you don’t decide to walk). But I’m grateful you posted because it did make me appreciate my guy walking when he did. I would be in your boat right now if he hadn’t. (Before I was choosing to be heartbroken over our situation but notso much now….I think he did the wise thing and it was for the best). For that, I thank you.

    #436242 Reply
    Andrea

    Greenie, I do not agree with what you said according to my own experience. My fiancé and I were in a relationship moved so fast that nobody would think it was real. 2 months after we met, he wanted to marry me. Now we’ve been together for almost 11 months and our relationship still like a fairy-tale, he still pays everything, opens doors, carries everything for me, carries me to upstairs, gives me massage, sometimes puts shoes on for me, feed me with food…If we want to buy something for both of us and they are too expensive, he will get the best one for me and get himself a less expensive one. He’s not controlling at all, I am like a free bird around him.

    Alexis, I understand your pain in this situation. Yes, he wants to fall in love with you but obviously you aren’t living to his expectation as a girlfriend yet. Men all have moments they just want to stay alone, but disappear? That’s not something a man loves you would do. My fiancé has been through difficult time too, despite he said that he didn’t want to talk to anybody, he still called me at least once in 2 or 3 days and text me at least once a day, rarely I would not hear from him at all more than 2 days – happened twice in the past 10 months. He was stressed at work, he was tired of any interaction with people including me, but he still made short phone calls and texting because he knew that would make me happy. I know you have agreed to exclusivity, but you should only stay exclusive with a man who calls you, who make effort to keep you, who cares about your feelings. For a man constantly disappear days even weeks, you should have no desire, no reason to be exclusive with him and meanwhile complain he is hurting you. You cannot talk him into wanting you more if you don’t have more inside yourself.

    #436339 Reply
    good dancer

    its ok to be passive and not call and let him do the initiating, and not be upset if he pulls away for days at a time…. but you could end up with a situation where he thinks there are no boundaries to his behaviour

    The “do nothing” thing irks me a bit

    #436342 Reply
    good dancer

    i am working my way through this very interesting thread (probably the most educational one ive veer read here !)

    and this here, I think he is lying.

    “I was very understanding and asked what happened. He said the bonus he was to get was literally a couple thousand less than what he expected, that he has never made so little money in his life, is in a slump and has no motivation. We talked at length for about 30 to 45 mins, and that was it. He now ends the conversations with “we’ll talk soon” or “I’ll text you later” but I don’t hear from him.”

    My instinct strongly tells me this is a lie

    #436343 Reply
    good dancer

    Ive had experience with two men over 40 that have DUI charges.

    With both of them they lacked general responsibility, financially and emotionally. Anyone who drink drives is not a responsible person. To not see at the age of 40 or over how drinking and driving can kill another person is a giant red flag

    #436346 Reply
    Alexis

    Just to clarify – not justify – he was much younger when it happened and very rarely drinks. He does not drink while driving any longer. He has owned up to what he’s done and knows he put himself in this position. He blames no one but himself. I know plenty of people with DUIs that are good people that made a bad mistake – trust me – I’m in the legal business, I see it all the time.

    As far as the lying, he has two other friends that work there that have verified what’s happening. That’s why I know it’s not false.

    Mistral, as far as picking unavailable men, I was married for 20 years, and dated twice since my husband’s death. I left both relationships right away – after 6 months – because of issues with the men. I consider myself extremely picky in who I date, and this guy is the first guy I’ve had a connection with in 3 years. If I’m not interested, I don’t go there. For some reason with him, this is a new experience for me and I have feelings I’m trying to figure out. I’ve been reading Allison Armstrong and Eric’s information and am trying to change the way I look at relationships and handle things properly. That’s why I’m on here – to get opinions – not criticism. I’ve pulled away and have not contacted him and don’t intend to. I’ve started reading “Don’t Bet on the Prince” also. I talked at length today to a friend who went back and forth like this for 8 YEARS with a guy – and she just moved in with him. He had major financial issues and pulled away for months and came back when he figured it out. Now they live together. I’m not saying I’m going to go for any length of time waiting for this guy – I’m definitely not – but it’s only been about 3 weeks or so since this has begun, will be four this weekend. Just trying to figure out the rubberbanding concept or the not interested – they both are very closely related. That’s all.

    #436361 Reply
    Greenie

    Andrea, I appreciate that you’ve had a different experience, but yours is the exception, not the rule. Many books, articles, and dating coaches have warned about men that come on strong so quickly. It’s better to have slow but steady progress, instead of going from 0-60 in 2 seconds.

    Men (and women) who are in a huge hurry to fast track the relationship tend to have one or more psychological problems: narcissism, commitment issues, insecurity, psychopathy/sociopathy, morbid jealousy. It took about a year for my ex’s true colors to appear (i.e. jealousy, controlling behavior) — before that he presented as the EXACT OPPOSITE, so it was quite shocking to find out his true personality. And by that time I had developed feelings for him and hoped he would get help. (He even said he would.) If I had known what I know now, I never would have gotten involved with him in the first place (and wasted 3 years on someone who was not right for me). The red flags were there. The good news is that I’ve learned a lot since then and will never be in that situation again, I pay attention to red flags now!

    Lenore: I’m sorry you feel that you can’t learn from others but need to figure it out the hard way. Some people keep making the same mistakes over and over and wonder why they aren’t happy. (Not saying that’s you, but it is very common in this forum.)

    Thankfully, some people don’t mind learning from the mistakes of others. That’s what this site is about, and this forum. I chose to end the merry-go-round of misery, because I suffered enough. I deserve better and that’s precisely what I have now. It’s not an accident — I’m finally in a healthy relationship because I LEARNED to stop beating my head against a brick wall. I don’t ignore red flags, I listen to my intuition, I read, read, read. I don’t accept bad behavior from men. I’m not afraid to walk away when I am not treated well.

    Alexis: you asked if you should just pull back and let him come to you when he’s ready. YES. That’s your only option besides walking away completely. You can’t change him, and he is obviously stressed by his situation right now. Putting more pressure on him to text you (so you feel better) will not have the desired effect, if anything it will just push him away even further. From what you’ve said he seems interested in you, but just can’t cope at the moment. My advice is to prepare yourself mentally for a break from him. (It could be days, weeks, months.) You don’t need to stop dating during this time, in fact, it would probably be a good idea. Get on with your life, and if at some point he resurfaces you can decide whether you still want him to be part of your future. As I said earlier tho, I see a LOT of RED FLAGS here. He got mad at you for making him lunch, instead of appreciating that you did something nice for him. That’s not normal behavior — it’s a warning of what is to come (it doesn’t get better). Is that the kind of man you want?

    #436372 Reply
    soni

    Maybe you can give this relationship a time period? U must have some expectations. if a or b or c probably happens or doesn’t happen within a time period set in your head perhaps u could exit? have u thought on those lines?? bec from what u saying this can go on and on and its just unwanted prolonged stress for u..

    #436387 Reply
    Good dancer

    Soni

    I think teh time period limit is a great idea, I been thinking about doing to up for my own douchebag

    #436401 Reply
    Andrea

    Greenie, I got what you said. I agreed with you. You won’t believe my fiancé was once the biggest player in the world :) because he’s very handsome, he had so many women in the past to a point I felt icky listening to his history. You think he’s commitment friendly because he committed to me so quickly? Not at all, before me he had a FWB for 1.5 years and he did all the disappearing act on her from time to time, but he never did that to me even once, unless I really gave him hard time, he would go quiet 1 or 2 days. A man treated you certain way doesn’t mean he will treat another woman the same. I do believe most men are wonderful , it’s how we as women, bring out their worst or best.

    #436414 Reply
    Taivas

    Well, Andrea, I also believe that women are wonderful and that some men truly bring out our worst…

    #436921 Reply
    Alexis

    So update….

    I don’t know if this is too extreme or not, but after a week of absolutely nothing, I’ve decided to walk…I’ve deleted him from FB and have had no contact whatsoever. I did it late last night, and as of now, have heard nothing…so I guess I made the right choice. I know men go into their caves, but to not pursue ANY contact whatsoever? Did I do the right thing or just push him away permanently?

    #436923 Reply
    Alexis

    Also, if he by chance does call (which I’m doubtful of) and asks why I took him off FB, I will need help with somewhat of a response without sounding harsh and petty. Any thoughts?

    #436947 Reply
    Bonnie

    Just started following this, Alexis. It sounds as if you did the right thing. You have to let him know his behavior is not acceptable. Anything less, and I’m sure you will lose respect for yourself. You appear to be well grounded and stable. Listen to your gut! ….and keep us posted.

    #436950 Reply
    redcurleysue

    If he asks you why you took him off FB just tell him the truth…you don’t think this sporadic relationship is what you want.

    Look, you have the right to walk away from a bad relationship and if a relationship is bad for you I highly suggest you do just that.

    But please make a decision and stick with it…don’t go up and back and up and back. If you stay stay…and if you go then go.

    #437237 Reply
    Alexis

    So update from weekend, girls. I deleted him off Facebook. Late in the afternoon he actually texted me and asked what I was doing and where I’d be. I said I was busy.
    Later that night, I got “hi beautiful” – I did not respond. I got more texts – I did not respond to any. I was doing the No Contact thing. He then called me. By that point I was so aggravated, I picked up to see what he wanted. He kept apologizing to me, saying he knows I haven’t been happy, that he’s sorry. He also made a comment that I don’t text him anymore, that he likes to receive texts from me, that it shouldn’t always have to be him to text. I ended the call – he asked me to text him the next morning. I did not. He texted me and then called. He asked me what I was doing – told him I was busy that day. Later in the afternoon, he called me again. I kept it short, told him I was busy.

    Why do guys do the slow fade and when you finally move on from them, they come on like gangbusters? So now I’ve seen it was the slow fade and not mancaving he was doing. Time for me to implement the No Contact and let him see how it feels. Just wanted to update you all since you’ve been great in all your advice :)

    #437238 Reply
    Alexis

    And one more thing – he has yet to acknowledge that I deleted him from Facebook. Why is that? Just curious…

    #437272 Reply
    Khadija

    Alexis,
    Please be done with this guy for good. I see nothiing working out here wit you two.
    If, you are going to do NC, remember it is for you to move forwards, gain calrity and allow more healing. This is not meant to punish him or get ack at him for his lousy communication.

    He has already shown you what he is about, now it’s time to beieve it and find someone else that give your time and energy to.

    When guys fade away and then reappear always know it’s not for anything good.

    #437273 Reply
    Khadija

    *back

    #437285 Reply
    Alexis

    Khadija, believe me, I am done. I am not responding to him, I’m moving on. I’m taking some time off the dating thing and just working on me. I’m just curious as to his actions, that’s all. I know they say don’t try to figure them out, but I am overly curious all the time :)

    #437286 Reply
    Khadija

    I understand that their actions makes us scratch our heads from time to time.
    The only perosn that knows why would be him and we cna only speculate.
    I think a break is good so you don’t become jaded. When you become and even better person the people you attract in your life will reflect that.

    #439872 Reply
    Alexis

    Okay girls, need advice.

    Ive not been in contact, although he has called. I deleted him off FB 2 weeks ago..i know he noticed cauz my phone blew up all weekend. I didnt engage.

    Today i get a text: i went to say good morng on FB and see u deleted me. I said: i did. He said: y? U cleaned out fb and decided I’d be one of them?

    Dont want to send snotty response, just something diplomatic and make my point that he’s the one that pushed me away and I’ve moved on.

    Suggestions as to what to say?

    #439921 Reply
    Lenore

    I’ve been following this thread and I GET it…I do…but just curious, why delete him from FB if you’re still continuing to text/talk to him? He’s prob confused about that as well. If you’re going to go NC….GO NC ALL THE WAY. You’re half-assing it…and trust me, I’ve been in your shoes where you really aren’t ready to cut him out completely. It’s hard :( It always takes my heart longer to process what my head already knows.

    And I just read Greenie’s response to me: it’s not that I can’t learn from mistakes, I do just when my heart is in something (as it was with my ex), I have to learn for myself. I’ll take advice into consideration of course, but in the end it’s my own mistakes that I learn from the most.

    #440046 Reply
    SnarkySab

    Alexis,

    I would simply tell him that you removed him from FB because you know he’s too busy for you, and you wanted him to know that you understood, but that you want to find someone who does have the time.

    You mentioned earlier that he asked you to promise to never cut ties, but I don’t remember if you actually did promise that or not. If you didn’t, tell him that you don’t feel like being in this holding pattern is good for either of you while he’s dealing with work, and since there’s no end in sight, you’re releasing him so he no longer feels the obligation and you can find someone that doesn’t see you as an obligation.

    #440071 Reply
    Phoebe

    What is the difference between a slow fade, ghosting and rubberbanding? Which one is this guy doing? And sorry if this sounds dense but why couldn’t you tell him you wanted to see him more often before you deleted him off Facebook? Not being mean just don’t understand.

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