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Amy
Hi ladies,
I’d love your advice/tips on dating a single dad with three kids (8-10). We have been together for 18 months and things are going okay, except that we suspect his ex has some narcissistic trait. I have met his kids and we get along okay.
He used to have his kids every weekend and mum on weekdays, but now his wife may move to another town (~3 hours drive), and she wants him to take full custody starting from the second half of 2023.
As such, I am writing to ask your advice on how you can work out your relationship when time could be a constraint. How do you draw the boundary (if possible) of being a step mum? Am I too selfish if I don’t want to take the mum’s responsibility? I have always wanted to take a step back role – being their friend/mentor. Should I continue the relationship?
It’d be great to hear about your experience. Thank you so much.
In the meantime, have a lovely time with your loved ones. Merry Christmas.
Ewahaving 3 kids full time I can tell you he is going to be really busy; I am not sure if you live together? What do you mean by you suspect his ex has some narcissistic traits?
how often do you see each other?TallspicyIt is a huge red flag that you two are ganging up on his ex wife and calling her a narcissist. First of all narcisse is an actual diagnosis and if she is a narcissist, he chose her, married her and impregnated her twice. He is not a victim. It is codependent to hate someone’s ex just because they do and a sign he is not fully healed that this is an issue. Sorry to be blunt on this, but I was in a similar situation.
That said, she might be very selfish (not the same as a narcissist) or a not great mother.
The reality of such young children is that if he had them 100% of the time, you will be responsible for nurturing them more than if he had them half time.
There is a world where you see how it goes, but if you really dont see yourself being a nurturing adult with some mother like attitudes and behaviors, it might be very tough. So see how it goes. Also, ask your boyfriend what he envisions changing. Those babies come first always at this age.
Liz LemonHow often do you see his kids? What do you mean by you “get along okay”?
Honestly I think if you’re having thoughts of stepping back and not wanting to take a stepmother role, you should probably end the relationship. If this man has his children full-time, and your relationship with him gets more serious, you will ultimately take on a stepmother-like role. It will be difficult if not impossible to date seriously and not have a relationship & attachment to his children, in my opinion. These children are very young and they will naturally attach to you.
My bf has a child that age and he’s super attached to me. We get along wonderfully. My bf has him every other weekend, so I don’t even see him as often as you’d see your bf’s kids. So I personally can’t imagine having a serious relationship with a guy who has young kids, but keeping myself distant from the kids.
I don’t think it makes you a bad person to not want to take on that role. I think it’s good that you’re being honest and aware of your limitations. I’m just saying that I don’t see a way of having a serious relationship (18 months) with a guy, but keeping his kids at arms length, if he’s got full custody.
Liz LemonDo you know how often they will see their mom? I assume she will still have them sometimes (like some weekends?). Three hours away isn’t that far.
I’ll add that the less they see their mom, the more likely it is that they will attach to you as a mother figure. A lot will depend on how much contact they have with her and how their relationship is with her. But if she plans to move away and not see them much, I definitely think the kids will naturally see you as a mother figure and get attached.
AngieBabyHey Tall, hold on there – the OP and her BF didn’t “gang up” on the ex or call her a narcissist, she said they suspected she had some narcissistic traits. BIG difference. They aren’t labeling her or diagnosing her in any way shape or form. And saying you suspect someone might have some narcissistic traits certainly doesn’t make someone codependent. I take it you have an ex and his partner who labeled you narcissistic or something along those lines, judging from your strong reaction?
Amy, maybe you could tell us more about your hesitation to take a stepmother role to these children. They have their mother and they are with her quite a bit. Are you not into being a mother? Do you not want to interfere with their relationship with their mother? You will never take the place of their mother, so you don’t need to worry about that.
They are young and you aren’t going to be able to keep them at arm’s length. Have you talked with your BF about how you will relate to them? Are you getting serious about living together or getting married?
TallspicyAngie,
I was never labelled a narcissist. I was with a man who labelled his ex wife one and I was not supportive in that. He talked about her often despite the marriage being over 4 years prior. Still a lot of anger. And teenagers in the home. He called her the c word and wanted me to read books about people who have narcissistic exes, but he wanted me to just do that without him communicating that to me. In the end, I wish I had told him… you may have chosen someone who was selfish, but it is not ok to me to call your ex the c word. And you chose her to marry and have children with. You are not a victim of your ex. And I won’tto this day ever again date men who speak Ill of their exs.
AmyThank you for all your valuable feedback that help me navigate the complex situation. I want to have some suggestions and explore how ready I am to take on more responsibilities or if I should step back.
My relationship with my partner has been a supportive and caring one. We don’t live together at the moment as we prefer to take things slow. My relationship with the kids has also been great too. I will normally spend 1 to 1 1/2 days with them, whereby we do activities together. I try to take a step-back approach at the moment as I know I can be too strict with kids sometimes, eg trying to discipline them etc. But I want to build a relationship with them so that I can support them.
I am an introvert by nature, which means I need to have personal time myself. And this is something that I need to think about if they may spend more time with his dad. It’s also important for us to spend time alone as a couple.
I have recently heard about the news. We will probably need a discussion about this, and navigate how things should proceed.
And yes, I think they will still see their mum, and it’s good that my partner’s parents are very supportive and caring too. This may give some flexibility there.
@AngieBaby, thank you so much for your understanding, and this is what I meant – suspect. That said, I shouldn’t be that subjective, and this is not the key point of my discussion.
@Tallspicy, I am sorry to hear about your past experience, and I don’t believe you are one. I might feel the same if I were in your situation. For us, we try not to talk about the ex, and we will never say anything thing bad about their mother in front of the kids. But yes, I shouldn’t label anyone.
AngieBabyThanks for the additional information. It sounds like you’re being very thoughtful about what you’re doing and I commend you for that.
Are you interested in having children of your own at all?
I don’t have children and doubt I ever will, although I like kids and could accept older children (over 12) of someone else’s.
One thing to keep in mind – at any time he could wind up having full custody due to unforeseen circumstances. Could you live with that?? You have to be honest with yourself about that.
I think if you have ongoing, open discussions with your BF about things, you can figure out if it’s right for both of you to move forward with the relationship. Some people’s ex-spouses are dead easy to co-parent with but in my experience usually there are some hiccups here and there, because after all there is a reason for the divorce. Personally I stay away from high drama or open/ongoing court battle situations but it doesn’t sound like his ex overly problematic. How does your BF feel about her having full custody?
AngieBabyWait, I misunderstood! The ex wants HIM to have full custody!! That’s a whole different scenario.
What is the reason for that? Mothers don’t usually voluntarily give up custody to their young children. How often would she see them?
If I were you I would determine if your BF is willing to ensure that you two get some regular couple time, which would mean hiring a babysitter. And also you’d have to figure out how you’d guarantee some alone time for yourself. Those two things are key. Again, talking with him and determine if you two can work out an arrangement where everyone’s needs are met is the only way to tell if you should move forward. It would understandable if he wanted to focus on the children entirely and if that’s the case then it’s time to go your separate ways. But if he wants you in his life then it’s important to decide what the path forward looks like. If you can’t come to an agreement, obviously it’s the end and better to know sooner rather than later.
Amy@AngieBaby, I will need to find time to talk about this. We still have time as this won’t happen until the second half of 2023. He is a reasonable person, but still, this is a complex situation.
She wants to build a new life with her new partner in a town 3 hours from where we live.
Liz LemonShe wants to ditch her kids to make a new life with a new man? That sucks for the kids.
I do think they will need a stepmother figure to step in. I’m not saying their mom can be replaced, and i assume they’ll still have contact- but for their day to day, of course they’ll want a mom figure in their lives. They’re still very young.
I agree you should talk with your bf about this and how he sees your potential role. If my bf were in this situation, I would absolutely be prepared to step up and take an active stepmother role. You and your bf will have to consider what the situation means for you.
Amy@Liz Lemon
“ I do think they will need a stepmother figure to step in.” This is a good point that I will think about. All in all, the most important thing is the well-being of the kids as they are still young.
AngieBabyAmy, I think you have to prepare for the possibility that you would over time at some point in the future become their mother figure because you have daily contact with them and their mother can’t be bothered. That’s very surprising, for a mother to dump her three kids like that. Not good. She may continue to get even more distant over time and who knows, maybe move even further away. I can see why you suspect she might have some narcissistic tendencies. That’s at the least quite selfish. Most mothers I know wouldn’t ever willingly be separated from their children.
I have one male friend whose wife left him for another man and then they moved to distant country for a big work promotion for her. She only talks to their son, who lives with him, once a month for about 15 minutes and sees him for one week a year. Pretty heartbreaking for the boy – my friend has had to work hard to help him understand he didn’t do anything wrong, he’s not a bad child and it’s not his fault she disappeared. For whatever reason she lost interest in being his mother.
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