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    Jayne Glaser

    I have been seeing a man for the past 10 weeks. We have seen each other once or twice per week since that time and have spoken nearly every single day, with the exception of the past two weeks, which is where my question lies. Just to clarify, we are not in a shelter in place location so we have continued seeing each other in our homes on the weekends.

    He has definitely been the pursuer, initiating the vast majority of contacts, planning dates, paying for dates and always scheduling the next date at the end of a date. On the third date we decided we would tell each other if we decided to see other people, but he clarified that he wasn’t and I stated that I wasn’t either at that time. During that date he did ask “So do you like me?” and I stated that of course I did and was surprised that he couldn’t tell. We began sleeping together about a month into dating.

    At the six week mark we ran into a friend of his at the grocery store and he introduced me to him. After we walked away he apologized if it was awkward as he hadn’t seen that friend in a year and therefore the friend didn’t know that he had broken up with his ex-girlfriend eight months prior and may have thought it was weird that he “had a new girlfriend”. He also went onto say that when he met that friend he had no idea that he was married because he wore no ring and mentioned no wife (who was working abroad). He said “I could never do that, that’s why I introduced you right away, I want him to know that I’m with him and you’re with me. We were holding hands at the time and I squeezed his hand and smiled but that was the extent of any type of “defining the relationship”.

    He routinely tells me how he really likes me, feels so relaxed and comfortable with me and is just so excited by the “total package” of what we have. I always respond and express my affections as well.

    Contact has been consistent and although the “all day texting” diminished over the weeks as it was unsustainable, he was still texting me most days and also had started calling instead so that we could have actual conversations instead of texting back and forth. Things have been going so well up until about two weeks ago. He was moving houses after selling his and at the end of our date he kissed me and said, “Ugh, I’m going to miss these lips for the couple of weeks.” He had made mention earlier of the next few weeks being really difficult and promising to making it up to me once it was over but never specifically said we wouldn’t be seeing each other. This was the only time a specific date wasn’t set for the following weekend.

    He texted me when he got home that night and we texted again the next day. I sent him a “good luck” text on Sunday when he was moving and then…silence. I didn’t hear from him until Wednesday when I came back to a missed call and a string of texts with apologies for not getting in contact the past few days and that he was “swamped and overthinking too much”. I told him it was fine to take space and time to deal with issues at hand and gain perspective. Overall, while it was a shift going two days without talking to somebody I’ve been dating for only two months didn’t seem unheard of when I specifically knew what he had going on.

    We talked for an hour that night and kept our Friday routine in place. When he was here on Friday things didn’t skip a beat, except things actually escalated a bit in terms of intimacy. He’s not a closed off person, but he talked about some really deep things from his childhood that I knew nothing about and let me in on another level. He also did little things for me like feeding and letting my dog out without me asking while I was doing something else, hand washed the dishes for me and went to the hardware store to get items to fix two things around my house that needed to be done but I couldn’t do alone. He told me on our third date that if he started doing things for me that meant he was definitely falling for me, so although I tried not to read too much into it, it definitely didn’t seem like a bad thing.

    One thing that happened that I thought was odd was that we were talking about what we’d strive to do if money weren’t an object. We both had similar answers and were just bouncing things off of each other and he exclaimed how hard working I was and I said, “Well so are you” and he said “I know but I’m just an engineer from India”. It was clear he was making a comparison between the two of us and thought he was the lesser. This couldn’t be further from the truth. He is incredibly intelligent, extremely (almost to the point of insanity) hard working, unfailingly kind, generous, funny and just overall a great guy. I hated that he said that about himself and tried to bolster him, which he said he appreciated.

    When he left on Saturday all was well, he said that next week he would help me start packing the house (I too am moving) and asked if we were on for next Friday (two days from now). I said yes and he want home to work. He texted me to wish me a Happy Easter on Sunday morning and we had a short exchange but I was with family. He always works Sunday nights but I remembered he was supposed to send me the name of a contractor so I texted him asking about it. I knew I likely wouldn’t hear back until Monday because he is on an hours long conference call to India on Sunday nights.

    I got a reply at 5:30 PM Monday, which is right where his work day ends. He used the typical flirty nickname for me, apologized for the delay in his response, gave me the name and contact information and asked how my days was. I didn’t see it until about an hour later and replied when I saw it, thanking him, giving a brief recap of my day and asking how his day was. It’s been almost 48 hours and he hasn’t replied to that text.

    I know that he is super stressed about work. The CEO of the company he works for switched his project with no notice and has given him an 8 week deadline to complete something that has been shelved for 2.5 years. He has to reform a team of developers in India who he just laid off two weeks ago and get them working on a new project that he said has major flaws he needs to correct for the product to be marketable. I don’t understand a lot of his tech speak, but it sounded like a big deal. He said “Well now I’m back to being a slave.”

    Part of me thinks “Hey you just told him last week that taking space and time to deal with things was totally understandable”, so you set this precedent.
    Part of me thinks “How long does it take to send a two second text to tell me you’re busy?”
    Part of me thinks “Are you an idiot who missed something major here?”
    Part of me thinks “Why aren’t you reaching out to him and playing by some rule instead about “not double texting”?

    I am so in my head right now that I can’t see the forest for the trees. Thoughts?

    #789466 Reply
    Raven

    He sounds like he’s doing a good job of keeping in touch…

    #789470 Reply
    Newbie

    My god, you think a lot of things while the last contact was a few days ago. And now he sounds superbusy. He sounds serious about you. The only thing that worried me a bit was that he said he was overthinking the first time he took a break. But he didnt ghost you after that.
    Take a breath and try to go back to your normal self. This is just dating and time will tell if its meant to be

    #789472 Reply
    T from NY

    I don’t blame you for feeling a bit anxious. A man is best read through his actions – although words and actions together really tell the whole story. This man is saying a lot of things, some of which indicate he’s trying to make you a priority but some of which sound like he is either not great at managing stress, or not just not great at communicating while under a lot of stress or just making excuses for space. Ya he’s busy. But we all know men who are really investing in a woman try their hardest to at least make contact daily so the woman knows hes thinking of her. I don’t like that he kissed you and made the comment about not seeing you instead of just talking to you directly about it and reassuring you. I don’t like it he’s not replying to your text for 48 hours. Unless he is very ill – he has thumbs that work while taking a bathroom break to at least check in.

    So my advice is to tread carefully here twofold. One – ask yourself if you’re okay with a man who kinda fades off when he gets overwhelmed. He is maintaining contact, but there’s a tone of doing when it suits him that would bother me (others might feel differently). Second – around the 3-4 month mark is when a lot of guys make the decision to continue in a relationship or end it. So sit back and do some exploring within yourself about what your needs would be going forward in a relationship and do NOTHING in regards to initiating with him and see what he does. Time will reveal a lot. This is the hardest part and I would just work on protecting your heart and concentrate on your life.

    #789477 Reply
    Jayne M Glaser

    Your are correct, he is not good at communicating while under stress and has actually discussed that with me. Two weeks ago he had to lay off many of his workers and said he was just at a loss for words and just didn’t know what to say to them.

    He said this year he’s trying to work on not being passive in his communication and trying to be straightforward, and that it’s been a challenge because it’s so common in India (he’s been in the States for about 6 years) and speaking openly about your emotions is not common. He said he often gets anxious and extremely nervous and has actually been trying to read some books to get past that. However I notice the passivity when it’s something he’s anxious about, like when he brought up the girlfriend thing indirectly. He’s also brought the future up in passive ways and I don’t really respond to those comments since they seem offhand to me. So there is a bit of a cultural divide there I think, in addition to whatever his own individual idiosyncrasies are. He said that one of the reasons he’s been doing better is because of spending time with me and feeling like he can relax and be himself in my company, but it still definitely creeps in.

    So now I just sit tight I guess!

    #789478 Reply
    K

    That is an insane level of work pressure. The CEO has sent him on what is almost surely a suicide mission. He knows he could very well be out of a job soon. Back off this man or you will lose him.

    #789480 Reply
    Jayne

    Thanks, it seemed pretty drastic and although I don’t understand a lot of what he does but it’s all very pressure filled and deadline driven. I guess I’ll just wait to hear from him, but I hate to not even send him something to show support as I know a lack of emotional support has been something he’s struggled with, but there’s not much I can do about that right now.

    #789481 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    If you’ve been dating almost 3 months, I don’t think you should worry about double texting. There’s nothing wrong with sending a warm “hope all is well” text in my opinion, in this situation. You know him, we don’t. I don’t think there’s a one size fits all formula for dealing with men. So to say you should NEVER initiate contact is too extreme in my opinion.

    Here’s the thing. We’re in the middle of this crazy global pandemic. He’s only lived in the USA for 6 years, so is still assimilating into our culture, and to top it off he’s probably worried about family and friends in India. Plus, the work pressure. You stated that he is aware of his tendency to be passive and is working on it and reading self help books- that’s huge, a lot of men would never do that. He’s talked to you about needing to improve his communication skills when he’s stressed. A lot of guys would never be that self aware.

    If you feel comfortable reaching out and think he would benefit from the emotional support, then do so. We are not in normal times now. I know people who have lost loved ones to Covid-19 and I know people who have lost their jobs, or live in fear of losing their jobs. The general climate is one of fear and uncertainty. He sounds like a nice guy who is trying. If I were in your shoes I’d cut him some slack and send a text. Something light and warm and funny.

    #789488 Reply
    Jayne

    Thanks. He has been worried, especially for his mom who lives alone. His dad died a few years ago and he actually opened up to me about that on Saturday and I hadn’t realized how traumatic the death had been.

    He is a nice guy. Last week he used my cleaning lady to clean his house before closing (had had that going on as well) and she told me he paid her $100 more than she quoted and bought her lunch. An electrician he recommended to me just left my house and on any normal day I’d text him to thank him for the recommendation and it feels foreign not to do so!

    #789489 Reply
    Liz Lemon

    If it were me, I’d send a warm, friendly text to say thanks. Others may disagree but you should do what feels natural & not overthink it. Given all the background info you’ve provided I think he’d respond positively. Obviously don’t comment on the fact he hasn’t contacted you for 2 days, but just send a message to brighten his day. That’s my personal opinion.

    #789491 Reply
    Ss

    I’m with Liz, a friendly light text is fine. Nothing heavy! If he doesn’t respond you have his answer x

    #789496 Reply
    alia

    Whenever I’ve been in a relationship where the guy had to apologize for not being in touch, or a guy fading even a little, and if it bothered me, I knew the communication wasn’t working for me, and something was amiss.
    I don’t think you would be writing here if you didn’t have a gut feeling that something is off with him. He strikes me a tad insecure, I think the way things are progressing, it just doesn’t seem organic. Usually in my experience, when things are not organic, the person is actually not getting to know the real me. They are either too preoccupied with something else to get me or are not interested enough. Which are all different ways of distancing.
    I think if you do reach out to him, you will not get what you want and need from him. I would wait for him to reach out and if he makes a good effort to make plans to see you, I would see him, otherwise, I would let him go.

    #789563 Reply
    Jayne

    Just a quick update. I sent a short text thinking him for recommending the electrician and he replied back within the hour and replied very enthusiastically and there was nothing to indicate that he hadn’t responded to my reply text from Monday at all. It was like there was no skipping a beat and things were just fine as always.

    He was asking lots of questions and his attitude was like it always is. I asked how his day had been and he said that things were hectic at work and that yesterday was the first day he felt like he could get anything done so he was working and getting settled in his new place. It was the same as last week where Wednesday was when he came back invigorated. I’m wondering if it’s because Wednesdays he can work from home so he’s not surrounded by chaos.

    He talked about what we should have for dinner on Friday and just kind of went on about things like normal He basically comes over after work every Friday and stays until late morning Saturday. We went back and forth for about an hour until I had a Zoom chat with some girlfriends and I signed off.

    So now I’m going to address things in person this weekend. I honestly don’t mind if we don’t talk every single day, it was just the precedent he set at the beginning and became the norm. Honestly texting back and forth for hours on end seems pointless at this point and I’d prefer maybe a text or two and a brief phone call or two throughout the week, which is what we have begun shifting towards as he says he prefers phone calls as well. However, I think we need to have a conversation about this so we’re on the same page.

    #789566 Reply
    K

    I wouldn’t “have a conversation” – this guy is under tremendous pressure at work and his job is on the line. You don’t want to add to it. If it were me, I’d let him be but you seem pretty bothered about him not responding to the text on Monday and you want to press this issue. He’s otherwise treating you very well, seems like a great guy. In this COVID19 time, I’d take it easy on him. You want to be his soft place to land, not another problem to solve.

    I’d say, I know how busy you are and that you may not have time to talk or text every day right now… would you feel OK about touching base a few times a week or would that be too much? I don’t want to add to your stress. I just love hearing from you.

    Then shut up and see how he handles.

    #789570 Reply
    Jayne

    Thanks! That’s actually what I meant about a conversation. I have no plans to frame it in a critical way nor to bring up the missed text. I have started to understand how his brain works and I think if I say basically what you said, it’ll relieve some pressure he’s putting on himself. I’d rather talk to him 2 or 3 times a week right now when he’s relaxed over dairly contact that has to be necessarily rushed.

    #789571 Reply
    K

    Awesome Jayne. Usually when a woman says “have a conversation” it means something a lot more involved. I’d call this a “mention” LOL.

    Sounds like you’ve got a good one here so I”m rooting for you and him to be happy and get through this tough time together.

    #789573 Reply
    Jayne

    Oh yes, I just meant verbally mention it. I just called it a convo. I don’t even u
    do the “we need to talk” in general, so I certainly wouldn’t do it to someone who is under this much pressure at work and who I’ve only recently been dating about texting!

    I’m also trying to be really cognizant of the fact that we come from completely different cultures and that’s just going to be a factor in dating him

    Thanks for the well wishes!

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